re: Matt Reeves' The Batman won't be part of DCEU; Ben Affleck will not star

Both companies have rushed into storylines that logically should come later in the hero's timeline. Some worked and some didn't.

Winter Soldier didn't have the same gravitas in the film as it did in the comics. We didn't have half a century of Cap shouldering the guilt of Bucky's death. Same thing with Civil War. Iron Man and cap just had a couple of missions together before they turned on each other.

The Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman aspects of BvS could've worked. It was more the tone and script that brought the movie down than the basic plot. Snyder wasn't the first to have the idea of Superman and Batman starting off as adversaries. Byrne did it in Man of Steel and Timm did it in the animated series.

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Winter Soldier didn't have the same gravitas in the film as it did in the comics. We didn't have half a century of Cap shouldering the guilt of Bucky's death. Same thing with Civil War. Iron Man and cap just had a couple of missions together before they turned on each other.

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Well, yeah...but they didn't exactly have 50 years to get there. Specifically with Tony and Steve, I always thought they set that up nicely from the get go with them not liking each other all that much. As far as what they did with the story in CW...not being about registration but atoning for all the damage, etc...I have lots of problems with that as I always thought it was a ridiculous charge given the alternative outcomes. That was my same basic gripe for why it was a stupid reason for a logical Batman to hate Superman when the alternate outcome would have been the extinction of the human race.

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Timm did it in the animated series

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Which animated series? Not JL...did that happen in one of the first two solo series that I've forgotten? By JL they were not buddies but they weren't about to throw down.

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Superman: The Animated Series

Batman is carrying around a sliver of Kryptonite. Superman doesn't like Batman's methods (or that Bruce is after Lois), Batman throws Superman across the room and Superman smashes Batman and X-Ray visions him to see his Bruce identity.

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Don't recall that...gonna look it up. Sounds kind of awesome, actually!

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The top 3 threads currently on the Movie/TV Board are people complaining about DC, this is pretty hilarious

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The other 17 are about GoT.

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Look here, motherfricker. I evolved and changed my views accordingly when evidence emerged that contradicted my views and made me reflect on it.

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I'm in the exact same boat in regards to Mos. I think that's an easy and logical position to defend, honestly.

For my take, I really liked the idea at first that the Kents would be super worried about the world finding out about Clark's abilities. Did it hurt hearing Pa Kent tell him those kids possibly had to die? Yep! Those kinds of things grounded the story and made it seem real. I loved the conversation he had when he showed him the ship and the kid asked if he was still his dad. I was ok with Pa Kent basically forcing Clark to allow him to die because he was so sure that it wasn't the right time to reveal his abilities and that he was willing to sacrifice his own life to save his son from that. I liked that people WERE afraid of Superman at first...it was a nice contrast between the Donner Superman that flies out of nowhere and saves Louis in Metropolis and no one is shocked and they start cheering. Heck...I liked Lois putting it together right away. I was even ok with the devastation in Metropolis AND killing Zod!

But all of that was contingent on this being Baby Superman, and we'd see him evolve into the REAL Superman we loved in the next movie. It was contingent on that being Step 1, not a complete changing of who the character is into this mopey, whiny, douche.

We didn't get that in BvS. In fact, Sydner doubled down and made him less likeable. He even had half the planet hate and fear him still. And dear, sweet Martha even told him to basically stop as he didn't owe the world anything. So...looking back, I was defending a movie that did not exist. Snyder was not making a Baby Superman movie...he was making HIS Superman movie, where he simply did not like Superman. So in retrospect, all those who saw that at first were right I think...and after seeing BvS I went back and re-watched MoS and realized how right they were, and I was mad I had defended it so much.

Had he not continued to do what he did with Superman in BvS, I think I'd still enjoy the vast majority of MoS.