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Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:51 pm to jorconalx
I agree but am interested to see how they mix it up so every episode isn’t the same with just doing different missions.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:08 pm to TideWarrior
I think you are moving the timeline ahead by about 1-2yrs on the decline of the Luftwaffe.
I think the turning point was probably in early 1944 when "Big Week" occurred in 1944. Allied fighters were available in large numbers and turned loose to range ahead of the bombers to engage the Luftwaffe before they even got close to the bombers.
I would have to look into my copies of "Flying Fortress" by Edward Jablonski and "Masters of the Air" to get more detail.
Hopefully this series will be available outside Apple+ at some point.
I think the turning point was probably in early 1944 when "Big Week" occurred in 1944. Allied fighters were available in large numbers and turned loose to range ahead of the bombers to engage the Luftwaffe before they even got close to the bombers.
I would have to look into my copies of "Flying Fortress" by Edward Jablonski and "Masters of the Air" to get more detail.
Hopefully this series will be available outside Apple+ at some point.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:20 pm to RollTide1987
Just watched and thoroughly enjoyed EP 1. It’s a unique perspective on the air warfare part of WW2 when most war series/movies focus on ground fighting.
Just curious if anyone knows how the flak that gets shot at the bombers works. Do those explosions spit out a bunch of shrapnel or do they just to create a percussive effect when they explode?
Just curious if anyone knows how the flak that gets shot at the bombers works. Do those explosions spit out a bunch of shrapnel or do they just to create a percussive effect when they explode?
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:29 pm to Mudge87
Flak rounds are large shrapnel shells. The casing becomes shrapnel when the shell explodes at the pre set altitude.
btw-The famous 88 that was mounted on Tiger tanks was originally designed as an anti aircraft flak gun. (And far far more were used in that service than were ever installed in various German tanks)
btw-The famous 88 that was mounted on Tiger tanks was originally designed as an anti aircraft flak gun. (And far far more were used in that service than were ever installed in various German tanks)
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:33 pm to jorconalx
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Not on BOB level, yet. Would be nice if it got there though
Nothing will ever rise to that level. It's not bad though
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:04 pm to GetCocky11
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Austin Butler still has his Elvis accent in this.
It/he is terrible.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:22 pm to CocomoLSU
The map showing their next mission tells me they are being pretty loose with reality. From England to bomb some in Germany and then ending up in Algeria is well beyond the range of a B17 iirc.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 12:12 am to BuckyCheese
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From England to bomb some in Germany and then ending up in Algeria is well beyond the range of a B17 iirc.
The B17 had a range of ~2000 miles with a 6000lb bomb load.
I just looked up distances. It’s only about 483 miles from London to Zurich and then about 785 miles from Zurich to Algiers, Algeria. So you can definitely hit Germany and land in Algeria.
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Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:04 am to BuckyCheese
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The map showing their next mission tells me they are being pretty loose with reality. From England to bomb some in Germany and then ending up in Algeria is well beyond the range of a B17 iirc.
Maybe this is how they get the Red Tails involved so maybe they don't sacrifice historical accuracy there?
This also looks like it might be the episode where one of the characters gets shot down and we watch him/them traverse German-occupied territory. It also looks like someone might get stuck in the ball turret.
I do agree with most of the assessments here. I've enjoyed it overall. The combat scenes are tense and well done but I haven't connected quite as well with the characters as with BoB or even the Pacific.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:11 am to theGarnetWay
I enjoyed the first two episodes but Elvis is a distraction. Makes me wonder about Dune 2.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:46 am to BuckyCheese
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The map showing their next mission tells me they are being pretty loose with reality. From England to bomb some in Germany and then ending up in Algeria is well beyond the range of a B17 iirc.
yeah they're going to show the schweinfurt and regensburg missions.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:24 am to TigersnJeeps
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I think you are moving the timeline ahead by about 1-2yrs on the decline of the Luftwaffe.
I think the turning point was probably in early 1944 when "Big Week" occurred in 1944. Allied fighters were available in large numbers and turned loose to range ahead of the bombers to engage the Luftwaffe before they even got close to the bombers.
By the end of 1942 Luftwaffe was struggling and Battle of Kursk in 1943 the losses on the Eastern Front combined with a lack of production saw the decline start.
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The failure to maximize production immediately after the failures in the Soviet Union and North Africa ensured the Luftwaffe's effective defeat in the period of September 1943 – February 1944.
Even in attempts to build back up that never made above the 60% mark for production including both fighter and bomber after early 1943. And then they struggled due to lack of pilots and lack of fuel. By the time the Red Tails entered the fray the Luftwaffe was only a shell of what it previously was. And then with the too late production of the German fighter jet with Mustangs already being introduced the Allies controlled the air.
Interesting on the Red Tails is they get credit for staying with the bombers but the bomber groups out of England under the command of Doolittle used the tactic to send the fighters ahead to meet the German fighters before they reached the bombers and then stayed around to hit targets. Very effectice on that strategy.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:18 am to TideWarrior
I know it's wikipedia
wiki
German fighter production from 1939-1945
614 2735 3744 5358 10059 24981 5732
Availability of fuel and qualified pilots would start having an impact as well. Hard to train pilots when allied fighters range all over the country.
wiki
German fighter production from 1939-1945
614 2735 3744 5358 10059 24981 5732
Availability of fuel and qualified pilots would start having an impact as well. Hard to train pilots when allied fighters range all over the country.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:25 am to RollTide1987
If you get a chance the WW2 podcast “We have ways of making you talk” has the show’s creator John Orloff talking behind the scenes and more. It’s well worth the 45 minutes.
Masters of the Air
Masters of the Air
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:50 am to GetCocky11
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Austin Butler still has his Elvis accent in this.
Apparently he only had two weeks break in filming between this and Elvis. He worked with a dialogue coach to try and lose the Elvis accent and watched old videos of his character to match how he talked.
But yea, he still sounds like Elvis.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:55 am to BuckyCheese
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The map showing their next mission tells me they are being pretty loose with reality. From England to bomb some in Germany and then ending up in Algeria is well beyond the range of a B17 iirc.
Those shuttle missions were 100% real, they did a couple before cancelling them. Losses were too high without long range fighter escort.
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On August 17, 1943, the 4th Bomb Wing conducted the first shuttle mission flying from East Anglia, bombing the German aircraft factory at Regensberg, and then continuing to North Africa. Flying in the low and trailing squadron in the larger bomber formation, the 100th flew in what was often referred to as “Purple Heart corner.” German fighters often attacked the bombers at this location first and then worked their way up. While the Division successfully hit the target, the Regensburg force lost 24 bombers. The 100th alone lost nine of the 22 planes it launched that day—a 40 percent loss rate. During this raid, the 100th suffered the most of any other Group.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:03 am to TigersnJeeps
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German fighter production from 1939-1945
614 2735 3744 5358 10059 24981 5732
Availability of fuel and qualified pilots would start having an impact as well. Hard to train pilots when allied fighters range all over the country.
Those who wanted more production in the Luftwaffe finally got that production late in 43 and a huge production in 1944 but as mentioned it was too late at that point. Lacking pilots and fuel, along with the devastation bombing had taken on airfields crippled the air war for Germany. That surge in late 1944 came as a result of the Big Week(allied air raids on German factories) in early 1944 and later the German established the Emergency Fighter Program but as mentioned no resources to deploy them all.
Late 42 and early 43 the Germans tried to maintain what they had by throwing a lot of resources into their new jet which killed production of what they needed to maintain air superiority combined with fighting on different fronts. By the end of the war, I think the Luftwaffe had more ground troops fighting then what they had in the air.
Between 1943 & 1944 the US built over 180000 planes with over 65000 being fighter planes. Over a 3rd of those were the new Mustangs that dominated the air.
Interesting stat for that time as well. The US built over 100 aircraft carriers averaging 2 per month during the war.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 12:02 pm to TideWarrior
The US industrial might was amazing.
One last link so as not to further derail this thread...
There are lots of discussions on WW2 and aviation boards but I don't want to get sucked into more rabbit holes than I already do lol.
Luftwaffe losses
One last link so as not to further derail this thread...
There are lots of discussions on WW2 and aviation boards but I don't want to get sucked into more rabbit holes than I already do lol.
Luftwaffe losses
Posted on 1/27/24 at 12:28 pm to TigersnJeeps
Thanks for the links. 
Back to the show the issue for me if trying to compare to BoB is BoB you started with them from basic training. You got to see them forge bonds with them coming from everywhere. Masters you are introduced to already formed relationships to focus more on the story and not the characters. Not saying the show will be bad just not character focused that added so much value to BoB.
Back to the show the issue for me if trying to compare to BoB is BoB you started with them from basic training. You got to see them forge bonds with them coming from everywhere. Masters you are introduced to already formed relationships to focus more on the story and not the characters. Not saying the show will be bad just not character focused that added so much value to BoB.
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