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re: LOTR thoughts: why is Frodo portrayed as some hero?

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Posted by TheTideMustRoll
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:01 pm to
Although Tolkien never, as far as I know, explained exactly who Tom Bombadil was, it is pretty obvious he was an Ainur. Although this means that he had power on the level of the Valar (the gods of Middle Earth), for whatever reason he did not serve as one of their number. A reading of the character would indicate that he probably did not care for the responsibilities that came along with godhood. Regardless, as an Ainur, his power would far outstrip that of Sauron, and so the Ring would have absolutely no effect on him.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:17 pm to
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Although Tolkien never, as far as I know, explained exactly who Tom Bombadil was, it is pretty obvious he was an Ainur. Although this means that he had power on the level of the Valar (the gods of Middle Earth), for whatever reason he did not serve as one of their number. A reading of the character would indicate that he probably did not care for the responsibilities that came along with godhood. Regardless, as an Ainur, his power would far outstrip that of Sauron, and so the Ring would have absolutely no effect on him.


Some speculate he was the embodiment of Eru.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:25 pm to
How does LOTR end?

I watched the first two and then fell asleep 30 minutes into #3.

Then realized how stupid it was and never finished it.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:30 pm to
Frodo was the only one able to carry it so far into enemy territory. Hobbits were more resistant to the ring in general. Smeagal, refusing to return it. Bilbo carrying it for years, Frodo carried it to the heart of it's power and destruction. Sam carried it for a day in Mordor and it was only warded off by his pure devotion and loyalty but it still changed him.

Frodo was the only who could've withstood it so long on this mission and he was running on dregs outside Mordor as it fought with him.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 5:23 pm to
Tom was also guaranteed to leave the ring on a stump or rock and frolic away restarting the gollum cycle at best straight to sauron otherwise.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:02 pm to
3 pages later and some of you are still convinced Frodo was an extra special hobbit and more of a hero than Sam.

Ring turns Frodo into Sméagol if not for Sam.
Posted by heatom2
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 7:21 pm to
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a boat ride to Hades to never see the Shire again


I'm not sure Valinor = Hades
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:45 pm to
Sam would've never left the Shire. Merry and Pippin weren't able to focus on the mission. Frodo was the one.
Posted by red_giraffe
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:55 pm to
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3 pages later and some of you are still convinced Frodo was an extra special hobbit and more of a hero than Sam.


This can't be stated enough, but... you're fricking stupid.
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:57 pm to
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LOTR thoughts: why is Frodo portrayed as some hero?


Name one character that handed off/offered The Ring to someone else more times than Frodo?
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 8:45 am to
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Name one character that handed off/offered The Ring to someone else more times than Frodo?


Let's see, he offered it to:

Gandalf
Aragorn
Galadriel

Anyone else?
Posted by TygerTyger
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:21 am to
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Decisions


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Well I've read those books ad nauseum, so let me set you straight.


And that you did.

I've read the trilogy 6-7 times over the last 35 years. All of what he said is spot on.

Yes, Sam was herioc. But in no way did he come close to dealing with what Frodo endured.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:26 am to
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you're fricking stupid.



Please do not attack me. I do not apologize if my perspective offends you.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:31 am to
Just take the L.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:34 am to
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But in no way did he come close to dealing with what Frodo endured.


I’m not sure how this makes him heroic. Yea he endured tough shite -like every other ring bearer- yet he wasn’t willing to give up the ring. Through Sméagol we already see what the ring can do to someone. The expectation is that Frodo endures the same hardships, maybe worse because he is supposed to be “the chosen one” and at the end his pureness allows himself to depart from the ring. Except that didn’t happen.

It’s like saying Superman is a hero because he has all these powers but doesn’t save anyone. Frodo was physically forced to give up the ring and some of you nerds can’t wrap your heads around that. But let’s excuse the end game because of what he went through. Wat
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Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:41 am to
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Just take the L.



Meh, this is far from an L. The only comebacks are “Frodo went through so much, you cant blame him for not giving up the ring!!!!”

A hero, that does not make
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:42 am to
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this is far from an L
Posted by CarRamrod
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:51 am to
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No Sam is the hero because he and Aragon where the only two the resisted the evil of the ring completely.
sam and Aragon held the ring for 5 seconds. Frodo held it for a year.
Posted by crispyUGA
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:53 am to
Frodo had to bear the ring, Sam did not. Sam is A hero, but not THE hero. Not that he didn't experience hardship accompanying Frodo to Mordor, but Tolkien made sure to express how much of a burden the ring was to carry as it got closer to it's true master. The ring would have corrupted anyone, even Sam, if they had been the one chosen to destroy it.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:56 am to
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Frodo had to bear the ring, Sam did not. Sam is A hero, but not THE hero. Not that he didn't experience hardship accompanying Frodo to Mordor, but Tolkien made sure to express how much of a burden the ring was to carry as it got closer to it's true master. The ring would have corrupted anyone, even Sam, if they had been the one chosen to destroy it.



See, more “he endured the ring!” with overlooking the fact that he didn’t give the ring up.
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