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re: LOST "What They Died For" S6.E16 (Multi-centric)

Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:21 am to
Posted by The Godfather
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:21 am to
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I was waiting for a water into wine trick. I don't know what Jacob said but it sounded like latin.



I actually thought the water looked reddish when he poured it out of his hands back into the stream
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:27 am to
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yeah, this.



While I would like to know how Jacob leaves and comes back to the Island, I don't think its as much of a problem as MIB not being able to leave the Island while Jacob can.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:28 am to
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--What is the game Jacob and MIB were playing? why would little Jacob show up randomly telling MIB "you can't kill them" when clearly he can kill them.

No, he can't kill candidates. But he can get someone else (Ben) to.
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--why the hell could MIB not leave the island even prior to his converion into smoke. That was just stupid, since there was no issue with Jacob leaving the island at will even though he was supposed to be "protecting it".

He could. Just didn't have a way really. Before he died and got tossed into the light, he told Jacob that he was leaving (via the wheel). I assume if he could have left at all before that, that he would have done so.
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--what is the point of Ben killing Jacob if Jacob can just show up anyway and tell everyone what they need to know.

MIB needed Jacob to die so he could leave the island. Even though Jacob could still influence his candidates, he was still dead (as said last night..once that fire went out, he was gone forever).
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--how can Jacob show up as a little kid now and then seconds later as an adult?

Because he is special/magical.

How can an island shift through space and time? It's irrelevant.
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--Jacob promised Richard he would never die and it looks like he may have died

Can't answer this. I agree the whole Richard angle was weak (if he really is dead, which he may not be).
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--what exactly was "the incident"? It has never been definitively explained.

"The Incident" I think refers to the nuke being set off. That's what it describes. However, I don't think the bomb actually ever went off though. But that's what it was describing last season..
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:34 am to
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I can't believe no one has commented on this yet, but there was something weird going on with the mirrors in this episode.



Mirrors have been prominent in every single flash sideways so far this season. Jack in the plane, Sawyer punching the mirror, etc.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:34 am to
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While I would like to know how Jacob leaves and comes back to the Island, I don't think its as much of a problem as MIB not being able to leave the Island while Jacob can.

I just attributed it to Jacob being the protector, and can thus do things that MIB can't..such as leave the island to decide on candidates.

What I thought was interesting was that Jacob didn't know how to kill MIB, or if he could even BE killed. Yet somehow Jack/Losties are supposed to figure that part out..? I am assuming that Desmond will have to be the one to kill MIB because it will likely have something to do with the source/using the island's energy, and he is sort of immune to that.

We know that MIB can't cross the energy fields a la the protective barrier around the barracks and Whidmore's camp. Also, apparently water has some affect on him. As well as the ashes from earlier seasons.

So one of those things, or a combination of them.
This post was edited on 5/19/10 at 8:37 am
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:47 am to
cokes your answers are explanations but they defy the "rules" of the universe the Lost creators developed for their world. There are problems.

Dead isn't really dead. Dead is not dead if the person can still basically do everything they could always do.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:52 am to
Jacob, Desmond, and MIB are exceptions to many of the rules of the Island. So I'm fine with most of it.
Posted by Johnny Utah9
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:55 am to
you think they'll explain what the light is?
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:56 am to
I think the finale can still be great and I sincerely hope it is. AFter all this is a "pulp Sci-fi" type show. kind of a souped up serial from the 1940's kind of vibe so I expect there will be dangling problems when its over.

I just hope they deliver big time in the finale.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:58 am to
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cokes your answers are explanations but they defy the "rules" of the universe the Lost creators developed for their world. There are problems.

Dead isn't really dead. Dead is not dead if the person can still basically do everything they could always do.

Nah, dead is dead is dead. MIB can take the form OF the dead, but they are still dead. Hell, MIB is the form of Jacob's dead brother for thousands of years. And only Hurley and Miles can communicate with the actual dead.
Posted by The Boob
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 8:58 am to
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you think they'll explain what the light is?


Seriously? Rewatch "Across the Sea". Allison Janney explains it. If you really expect any further of an explanation, you obviously haven't been keeping up with Lost lately.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:04 am to
Jacob isn't really dead if he can still guide Hurley, Sawyer, Kate and Jack to do whatever he needs them to do. And only Hurley could previously see Jacob, so it really doesn't add up, but this is how Lost operates
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:05 am to
the light has been explained satisfactorily. Any further explanation would get into midichlorianesque territory
Posted by lsumatt
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:05 am to
A few of my thoughts:

1. Surprised to see Ben's attitude change. I still think he has something up his sleeve, but he went straight back to his old self.

2. Widmore seemed more and more like he was altruistic in his motives, surprised he died before getting to the bottom of it.

3. That concert is gonna kick arse.

4. I don't think Richard is dead. Jacob made him so he couldn't die, not to be ageless. I don't think MIB has been able to kill him at will all these years. And the first rule of LOST as OML points out is...if you don't see him dead, he aint dead.

5. Regardless, characters are dying off quickly leaving us with major players. I expect to see Miles bite it early next week and Claire to follow. We should see or hear about Rose and Bernard. Curious about Cindy and the kids...will they repopulate the Island?
Posted by etm512
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:05 am to
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last weeks episode was good, very good. Everybody complained about no answers and that there was not enough time left to give the answers needed. This week was a pretty big frick you to the people that bitched about last weeks episode.


No it wasn't. You don't get everyone's problems with last week's episode.

And who is complaining about this week? Seems like everyone here really enjoyed it.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:08 am to
this episode was way better but in no way does in redeem the serious problems with how ATs was written, acted, and executed on film. Those issues aren't about answers they go way deeper.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:16 am to
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the light has been explained satisfactorily. Any further explanation would get into midichlorianesque territory



Posted by lsumatt
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:17 am to
Jacob claims he chose them because they "had nothing to live for". He was watching jack all his life though. He really knew Jack's life was gonna suck from birth?
Posted by BhamTigah
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:18 am to
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The bomb was dropped in the lighthouse and by Ilana, not by Jacob.


I thought the bomb was strapped to Sayid's chest as he went out in typical Arab fashion.
Posted by BhamTigah
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Posted on 5/19/10 at 9:19 am to
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the light has been explained satisfactorily. Any further explanation would get into midichlorianesque territory


I agree, but I'm afraid they'll have Desmond go into the light and have some scene like in the movie "Sphere".
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