re: LOST "What They Died For" S6.E16 (Multi-centric)

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1. Surprised to see Ben's attitude change. I still think he has something up his sleeve, but he went straight back to his old self.

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Well when the person who hired your daughter's murderer walked in the room, you're probably going to try and kill him. Ben won't kill the survivors, but he couldn't resist killing Widmore, and who can blame him.

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3. That concert is gonna kick arse.

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Seriously, its going to be awesome. Charlie, Juliet (she has to be David's mother), Faraday, Charlotte, the entire main cast (maybe excluding Locke and Ben), and probably a few more will be there. Its going to be sick.

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4. I don't think Richard is dead. Jacob made him so he couldn't die, not to be ageless. I don't think MIB has been able to kill him at will all these years. And the first rule of LOST as OML points out is...if you don't see him dead, he aint dead.

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I don't think Jacob could make someone more powerful than himself, other than throwing them into the light himself.

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5. Regardless, characters are dying off quickly leaving us with major players. I expect to see Miles bite it early next week and Claire to follow. We should see or hear about Rose and Bernard. Curious about Cindy and the kids...will they repopulate the Island?

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Every scene is now intense, since literally anyone is fair game at this point and can go at any second.

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Jacob isn't really dead if he can still guide Hurley, Sawyer, Kate and Jack to do whatever he needs them to do. And only Hurley could previously see Jacob, so it really doesn't add up, but this is how Lost operates

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You're missing the point. Jacob IS dead...THAT'S why he now has to be replaced. But clearly he is not human (anymore), or at least not in terms of mortality like regular people. He even said last night that he was dead and that once that fire with his ashes in it went out, he would be gone forever.

Jacob, as protector of the island, has special powers/attributes that allow him to communicate with, interact with, and influence people on and off the island. And he can do that whether or not he's "dead" or "alive." Keep in mind that until the thing with his ashes in the fire, only Hurley could see and talk to him, and that's only because Hurley has always had the gift of seeing the dead.

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I thought the bomb was strapped to Sayid's chest as he went out in typical Arab fashion.

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There are a ridiculous number of bombs on LOST Island. I still find it hard to believe that with the number of explosives on that place that Locke had trouble opening the hatch.

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I don't think Jacob could make someone more powerful than himself, other than throwing them into the light himself.

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So jacob granted him "agelessness", sent him back to MIB who could have killed him immediately if he wanted? I know he became a pawn of MIB's, but Alpert was always Jacob's messenger that was able to walk the Island without fear

Also, he wouldn't be more powerful necessarily, they both would be immune to MIB. I sort of agree Richard CAN die somehow, just not at MIB's whim.

Aside from the Survivor campfire scene (I laughed out loud and wondered who was getting voted off), I thought the episode was good.

They're definitely setting it up for a big finale.

My theory after last night:
Jacob foresaw his death and knew that afterward the island would need to be destroyed as it was truly the only way to keep MIB from leaving. He needed the candidates' and Widmore's (I think Wid tricked MIB, during his whisper, into ultimately destroying the island) help to accomplish all this. I think there will be another time travel and the island somehow destroyed/sunk prior to 2004 (Oceanic 815).

Meanwhile, Desmond "failsafe" Hume, is Jacob's attempt to provide a constant between the timelines after the island's destruction. Everyone brought to the island in the original timeline was flawed, but through their experiences have been completed to an extent (i.e. - many people finding love, Locke getting back fixed, Ben and Jack becoming the father figures they never had). Desmond (in a very well designed manner)has been providing the constant for everyone between alt and island, presumably by being conscious of both timelines.

I don't believe Jack is anymore the protector now than he was before. I think Jacob just wanted him to believe in what he was doing and make an eventual sacrifice (how long do I protect it?...as long as your can *not long*).

I think there is going to be a final deciding point in the finale which determines whether the island continues to exist or reloads Matrix-style in the alt timeline. I don't think we'll see the decision made. It would make sense as a subject of debate with some level of closure.

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Why couldn't Jacob just have brought all the candidates together sooner and had a campfire?

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He had to wait until he was pretty sure someone would say yes. Otherwise, the fire burns out before he can get someone else to drink.

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I have a hard time going with the island being destroyed, when so much has been made lately of protecting the "light". Would destroying the island be protecting the light that must not be allowed to go out?

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That's what I was thinking. I can see MIB wanting to destroy it, but it makes no sense that this was Jacob's plan. His job for a few thousand years was to protect the light.

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but it makes no sense that this was Jacob's plan. His job for a few thousand years was to protect the light.

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No. His job is keeping MIB from unleashing homself on the world. And within that, protecting the light from MIB because that appears to be his means for getting off the island.

I think his first and foremost job is to keep the world from ending. Everything else is beneath that, and serves some sort of purpose for assisting in that job (such as "protecting the island").

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I think he is more concerned about MIB getting off the island than the light not existing.

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MIB is "chained" to the Island's source. If MIB leaves, I believe the light will go out.

Jacob also told Jack that MIB was going to be trying to get to the light waterfall specifically, not just the light in general, and Jack had to keep him from getting to it. He didn't say keep him from the wheel, the hatch etc. After Jack said there was nothing beyond the bamboo ridge, Jacob said yes there is and now (after drinking the cup)you'll be able to find it. Is there something unique about that specific spot?

Another thing MIB told Ben was that someone did him a favor by not killing Desmond and letting him out. Is MIB now relying on Desmond to be the one to help him locate the light waterfall after the Widmore revelation? Of course Widmore, like Ben, a perrenial liar, could have been lying and trying to manipulate the fail safe. After all, Widmore conned and apparently lied better than Sawyer, who MIB said was the best he had ever seen.

Don't forget too, that Desmond's purpose would result in him making a sacrifice.

How bizarre would it be that the failsafe plan is for Desmond to go down the light waterslide and become an equal, only be it a good intending combatant to MIB? The sacrifice being attached to the island too. Did Widmore tell MIB not to throw Desmond into the briar patch?