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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:11 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:11 am to CocomoLSU
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Okay, man. Clearly you are reaching for things to be unhappy about at this point. I'll leave you to your vices...
I've already said that I liked it. I'm not unhappy about it. I just think those little things were cheap.
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:11 am to Freauxzen
You can let go now, Freauxzen
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:11 am to Freauxzen
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It was a cheap move, it was an "F-You" to over-analytical people.
I disagree and I'm as over-analytical as the come. There was no way that they were going to end a series that is was primarily based on twists and cliffhangers with a solid ending wrapped in a bow. But, they obviously didn't want to leave it absolutely completely open, ala the Sopranos. So they make a nearly clear-cut ending with one small exception.
Now, while people like you and I will argue this until the end of time and the show will primarily be remembered as a having a true ending.
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And they knew it. It was mean-spirited more than "sentimental."
It was definitely planned, but I would classify it as mean-spirited. It will give fans something to ponder forever.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:11 am to Freauxzen
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That's backhanded.
It's not though. We can just chalk this discussion up to my whole "people taking things personally" argument from several weeks ago.
I look at things like Hurley/Miles conversations as light-hearted shots at overthinking. You look at them as personal attacks on the fans.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:14 am to CocomoLSU
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I look at things like Hurley/Miles conversations as light-hearted shots at overthinking. You look at them as personal attacks on the fans.
But you just said you liked that they made fun of overly-critical fans. But they invite over-criticism at the same time. That's the definition of mean.
It's like taunting a fat kid with double-stuffed oreos and then making fun of him for eating them and being fat. It is mean. No question.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:15 am to Antonio Moss
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There was no way that they were going to end a series that is was primarily based on twists and cliffhangers with a solid ending wrapped in a bow
why not?
like i said last night or this morning...lost was like a murder mystery between an estranged couple when somewhere along the line they decided to not figure out the murder and to start fricking
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:15 am to Freauxzen
Freauxzen,
I haven't read through all of this but I do want to ask you and myth if you enjoyed the finale. Did you guys like it? Was the ending of Jack saving the island and then realizing he was dead in the alternate timeline satisfying to you guys?
I haven't read through all of this but I do want to ask you and myth if you enjoyed the finale. Did you guys like it? Was the ending of Jack saving the island and then realizing he was dead in the alternate timeline satisfying to you guys?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:17 am to Decatur
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I felt they were making a vague reference to the volcano on the Island. Pulling the plug/cork "activated" the volcano, which if left unchecked would have sunk the Island. At least that's what I see.
oh, yes, the Volcano. That was so clear and obvious. how could I have missed it!Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:17 am to tuck
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I haven't read through all of this but I do want to ask you and myth if you enjoyed the finale. Did you guys like it? Was the ending of Jack saving the island and then realizing he was dead in the alternate timeline satisfying to you guys?
I would say yes, it could have been very satisfying. I think they ruined all of the good will they built up with the wreckage at the end though.
If I can someday ignore that, then yeah, I liked it.
I'll say again, because I think it explains it for me:
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It's like taunting a fat kid with double-stuffed oreos and then making fun of him for eating them and being fat. It is mean. No question.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 11:21 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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why not?
Because truly closed off endings only to two things: satisfy half the viewers while pissing off the other half, and completely end all discussions about the show.
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like i said last night or this morning...lost was like a murder mystery between an estranged couple when somewhere along the line they decided to not figure out the murder and to start fricking
This is an absolutely terrible analogy. You confuse getting crappy answers (which I've already addressed that writers should have never tried to explain the islands background) with not getting answers.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:19 am to Antonio Moss
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Absolutely. You couldn't have more than one perspective with that ending. Just because we see the interaction of other characters without Jack in Jack's afterlife, doesn't mean it isn't still Jack's afterlife.
i think its everyones after life remember that before these ppl went to the island they really had no friends so pretty much their friends where everyone in the church no one had friends that would be in the church. so everyone's perspective
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:20 am to Tiger Ryno
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oh, yes, the Volcano. That was so clear and obvious. how could I have missed it!
I said vague reference. And it's my opinion.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:22 am to Antonio Moss
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Because truly closed off endings only to two things: satisfy half the viewers while pissing off the other half, and completely end all discussions about the show.
lost is not a show complex enough to warrant interpretations, especially with how simplistic they ended it
lost was a simple narrative bogged down by a lot of pointless characters and red herrings that weren't examined anyway
the overall story was ripe for a clear ending
the jumbled mess may not have been, but that's an indictment of the creators/writers
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You confuse getting crappy answers (which I've already addressed that writers should have never tried to explain the islands background) with not getting answers.
i think you need to go back to season 1 and think about all of the theories that were out there
then think about how shitty the answers/explanations were in the end
and i will remain steadfast in my belief that the island needed to be explained, especially since it was a pointless part when you examine the ending. the island was meaningless, yet it was an integral character
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:23 am to Freauxzen
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I think a lot of you missed the point. Everyone was dead by the time the plane crashed. There were no survivors of Oceanic 815. The most important times of their lives were spent together on the island, which was a venue upon which they could right their wrongs. Purgatory, if you will. The last shot of the show was not a red herring at all.
This is certainly a plausible explanation and one that the creators of the show wanted to leave you with as one possible interpretation. I'm not saying that is right and the other interpretations are wrong, but if you can't acknowledge that the show was written ambiguously to allow for multiple interpretations to be plausible, then you are missing Cuse and Lindlof's point.
Saying the island was Purgatory does not mean it wasn't REAL.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:23 am to Antonio Moss
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There was no way that they were going to end a series that is was primarily based on twists and cliffhangers with a solid ending wrapped in a bow.
This show has always been about the characters more than the mythology. I think they ended it the way they did so that we could see all of the characters have closure, which would in turn give the audience closure. Just as the characters had to let go, so must the audience let go.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:24 am to Freauxzen
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I would say yes, it could have been very satisfying. I think they ruined all of the good will they built up with the wreckage at the end though.
Everyone needs to let go of the wreckage from their past...
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 11:26 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:25 am to Decatur
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This show has always been about the characters more than the mythology.
no
it WAS about the charaters
then it became about the mythology and mystery
the only reason people kept tuning in was due to the plot twists that ended up being pointless
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I think they ended it the way they did so that we could see all of the characters have closure, which would in turn give the audience closure. Just as the characters had to let go, so must the audience let go.
this pretty much makes seasons 3-6 (other than the finale) pointless
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:27 am to Decatur
Was I the only one thinking about Jacobs' Ladder last night?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:27 am to catholictigerfan
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i think its everyones after life remember that before these ppl went to the island they really had no friends so pretty much their friends where everyone in the church no one had friends that would be in the church. so everyone's perspective
Except Sayid and Shannon together makes little to no sense with that explanation. If Des is with Penny, Sayid should be with Nadia.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Would the episode have lost any meaning without the wreckage shot at the end? Did it add anything?
What DID it end up doing (which they knew it would do)?
So what was the point of the wreckage?
I rest my case.
What DID it end up doing (which they knew it would do)?
So what was the point of the wreckage?
I rest my case.
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