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Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:52 am to Antonio Moss
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It's Jack's perspective only.
I don't think this is the case.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:54 am to Decatur
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Or why not a 30 year-old...or a 60 year old?
Jack's perspective.
And I fairly sure the only reason we didn't see three year old Aaron from Season 4, is because that kid actor is now like 7.
It's a minor inconsistency but totally acceptable given how child actor's age. All infants look similar.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:55 am to Freauxzen
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Nice to remember things wrong. #1, i stimply called that one guy a douchebag, which is not going apeshit and #2 that was after he told me to go watch seasame street. Clearly, he called me an idiot with that statement, so I told him he was a douchebag. That is not going apeshit.
Nice to remember things wrong. #1, i stimply called that one guy a douchebag, which is not going apeshit and #2 that was after he told me to go watch seasame street. Clearly, he called me an idiot with that statement, so I told him he was a douchebag. That is not going apeshit.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:55 am to The Godfather
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Other than the wreckage on the beach (which i think is the original wreckage)
We do too. Why not put some titles over the wreckage, "Thank you to the fans." So as to disconnect it from the show. Fact is, they knew it would cause controversy. They said that people would question the ending, but if we all took it the simplest (and what I believe is the correct) way, then there are no questions. Which wouldn't be what they wanted. So are we supposed to question or are we not? Fact is, it was a cheap move and they knew it.
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what is the other evidence?
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I think a lot of you missed the point. Everyone was dead by the time the plane crashed. There were no survivors of Oceanic 815. The most important times of their lives were spent together on the island, which was a venue upon which they could right their wrongs. Purgatory, if you will. The last shot of the show was not a red herring at all.
Fred Put it well. The island was purgatory, they were all rejecting death. In your view, the alternate timeline, with all of the characters and backstory of the show, was created so they would accept death. Couldn't you say the same of the island and the entire show?
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If they all died in the plane crash, then they dont know Desmond, Ben, Juliet,etc.. so why are they in the church?
You say Aaron being there is his perspective, so that explains away anything else as well. Maybe it's everything he needed so he could have peace.
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When you and others debate things from the show, i almost always see your side of it and understand where you are coming from. I do not see this one at all, i think yall are reaching.
Ending on Jack's closing eye and a smile is pretty ambiguous. Add in Aaron, the last shot of the crash, the unrealistic things happening, and it creates doubt.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:57 am to CocomoLSU
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Because he didn't have a son.
BTW, I'm not agreeing that it was all Jack's perspective. But that would be why his son wasn't there.
Yeah, realized that after typing.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:57 am to Antonio Moss
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Jack's perspective.
So the conversation that Ben and Locke had outside of the church was part of Jack's perspective? I don't think so.
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And I fairly sure the only reason we didn't see three year old Aaron from Season 4, is because that kid actor is now like 7.
Well, this too. But imagine if little baby Aaron all of a sudden turned into three year old Aaron at the church. It would have created confusion IMO. I think that would invite more complaints from people.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:57 am to TigerMyth36
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#2 that was after he told me to go watch seasame street.
my bad man
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:58 am to Freauxzen
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Add in Aaron, the last shot of the crash, the unrealistic things happening, and it creates doubt.
I don't think Aaron fits in this category, but everything else does create some doubt. And, again, I'm totally okay with that. 99% one way with 1% doubt.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:59 am to Antonio Moss
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And, again, I'm totally okay with that. 99% one way with 1% doubt.
And we aren't. That's the entire debate. It was a cheap move, it was an "F-You" to over-analytical people. And they knew it. It was mean-spirited more than "sentimental."
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:01 am to Decatur
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So the conversation that Ben and Locke had outside of the church was part of Jack's perspective? I don't think so.
Absolutely. You couldn't have more than one perspective with that ending. Just because we see the interaction of other characters without Jack in Jack's afterlife, doesn't mean it isn't still Jack's afterlife.
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Well, this too. But imagine if little baby Aaron all of a sudden turned into three year old Aaron at the church. It would have created confusion IMO. I think that would invite more complaints from people.
Right. It was really the only way to do it and create the Kate/Claire flashback. I'll it excuse it because that is the consequence with working with child actors.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:03 am to Decatur
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Or why not a 30 year-old...or a 60 year old? Why? Because that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of LOST. The audience knew Aaron as a baby for most of the series and Aaron was just born in the flash-sideways. To have an older looking Aaron at the church at the end would have just promoted confusion...especially if they had to bring in a new actor to play him. The same people who are complaining about Baby Aaron would be complaining about Older Aaron right now IMHO.
Simple answer, don't show him. Like the plane crash...don't show it.
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Except that Aaron was actually born in the "real" timeline. Jack never had a son.
But Aaron wasn't important to the show. He didn't need to accept death like the other passengers and the people we saw. He shouldn't have been in the church. His inclusion is a giant problem.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:03 am to catholictigerfan
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women can have babies but they can't conceive on the island and have babies on the island i think, it has to do with something that the sperm count increases in men and somehow that hurts the women and kills the women
WRONG. they have to have a midichlorian count of over 5,000.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:03 am to Freauxzen
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It was a cheap move, it was an "F-You" to over-analytical people.
which im not, so i guess thats why i dont care
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:04 am to Freauxzen
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Fred Put it well. The island was purgatory, they were all rejecting death.
Except that this is contradicted by several things in last night's show. For example, Ben and Hurley talking about their life as #1 and #2 on the Island...Kate telling Jack that she's missed him for a very long time. I could go on.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:06 am to Freauxzen
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It was a cheap move, it was an "F-You" to over-analytical people.
Well, Lost has often seemed to mock the UBERcritical fans, which I love.
What about Lsut81's explanation that the shots of the beach came after the "LOST" stamp on the screen..? That's how every single episode of Lost has ended, so it stands that the finale ended the same way as well. There's never been any continuation of the show during the credits. The beach shots were just a montage. Nothing more. To assume otherwise is overthinking it just to do so, and is looking for something to bitch about IMO.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:07 am to Decatur
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Except that this is contradicted by several things in last night's show. For example, Ben and Hurley talking about their life as #1 and #2 on the Island...Kate telling Jack that she's missed him for a very long time. I could go on.
I should change that "was" to "could be." Like I said, I am undecided.
Since the alt-timeline isn't "real" we can't take anything we see or hear as fact. What if the island was just a part of purgatory? What if Hurley did stay there for a while to cope with his problems? What if Kate couldn't see Jack for who he was until she accepted death? Those answers are just as plausible as "a rock holds evil from the world."
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:07 am to Freauxzen
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Like the plane crash...don't show it.
What plane crash? Please don't tell me you are still talking about the original Flight 815 crash that was shown in the credits. That was a tribute...the story was already over at that point.
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He didn't need to accept death like the other passengers and the people we saw. He shouldn't have been in the church. His inclusion is a giant problem.
With all due respect, Freauxzen, you are over-thinking this.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:07 am to Freauxzen
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His inclusion is a giant problem.
A giant problem?
Okay, man. Clearly you are reaching for things to be unhappy about at this point. I'll leave you to your vices...
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:08 am to CocomoLSU
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Well, Lost has often seemed to mock the UBERcritical fans, which I love.
But they empower them at the same time. Why would you mock something that you facilitate? That's backhanded.
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