re: Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power trailers (updated with new comic con trailer)

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What would that be?

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Something more like the movies that have already been made.

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And now they are going to "fix" it by having black elves and dwarves.

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“But don’t call us racist”

I have a brother that has read every word of every printed material by J R R Tolkien. He can probably read Elvish for all I know. I can admit in here, I never read any of his books. But let me just leave this in here for the super fans having a menstrual episode over the course of this thread. Somebody hurt you. And these books are your cuddle buddies. If kids were in an orphanage and they used Tolkien as a coping mechanism they would not be more excitable than you have been. Get some help guys.

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I think Tolkien would enjoy the Extended Editions right up until the point Bilbo leaves Bag End and then hate 95% of the rest of it, but that’s just my opinion

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I think he would hate that they were made in the first place, much less enjoying any part of it.

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I just think Jackson played the best he could have with the hand he was dealt. Look at that clip I posted earlier in the thread and you can tell Jackson clearly gave it his all. I 100% put the Hobbit being a mess on the studios bickering and money whoring and I think Jackson was the only one who prevented it from completely falling apart. If they had given Jackson another year and a half to prepare, done one 3.5 hour movie or two 2 hour movies, and given Jackson total creative control like he got for LotR, it would have been nearly as good as that. Got a soft spot for him here.

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I mean I get it. I personally don't even care that the movies weren't very good. Peter Jackson killed it with LOTR so he pretty much gets a free pass with anything else for me. I'm just not going to give him praise for getting a few things right with the Hobbit. That's not very impressive to me, regardless of how bad of a situation he was put in. But again, I get you wanting to defend him.

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The problem is I don’t think there’s anyone working on this project that cares about Lord of the Rings, while everyone across the board cared about it in the film and even in the Hobbit. It was idiotic and greedy producers in Hollywood that ruined the later. You don’t have someone like Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens as far as I’m aware trying to preserve some of the Precious at all costs.

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I've said it for a while, I think this will stink. Tolkien is my favorite author of all time and these are my favorite books of all time. So I hold them in high regard, as you know. I have said since the LOTR came out that I just never hope they try to do anything with the Silmarillion, because no matter what, you cannot do this justice on screen.

So the pre-hate doesn't bother me. But I do think you're having a double standard when it comes to your defense of The Hobbit/Jackson and ROP.

- Jackson wanted a love story so he added in a made up BADASS FEMAL ELF. I mean, that's woke right? He created a incredibly stupid female character just to have a woman and love interest in it.

- Didnt Jackson add in Sauron in TBOFA? Or a Sauron/Gandalf fight scene. Something like that. He obviously didn't care about the timeline, he just wanted people to go "O hey Sauron!!"

- Did he have no say in adding Azog? And making him the worst villain of all time. And looking like a cartoon. Or to a worse degree, the Alfrid character?

- The barrel ride was obviously one of the worst scenes. There's no way someone could watch that scene and think that they are trying to do justice to Tolkien. It's like they went "Ok Tolkien, you wrote a witty and smart plan that was carried out nicely, but we think it would be better as a fast and furious 7 barrel ride.

- He kills off Kili and Fili in a pretty ridiculous manner, different than how Tolkien wanted. Seems small but it would have easily been something to stay true to but he decided his way was better.

Those are just a few random things off the top of my head. I never hear you crapping on decisions Jackson made that you know didnt have anything to do with studios bickering about money and a rushed time frame.

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- Jackson wanted a love story so he added in a made up BADASS FEMAL ELF. I mean, that's woke right? He created a incredibly stupid female character just to have a woman and love interest in it.

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I don’t remember specifically or not if Jackson said this, but if you have to stretch it out for three movies, I probably would have done what Jackson did and add a dwarf/elf romance with Kili and a female elf. So it’s cringe, but with all the romances in throughout the mythology, there is never one between a dwarf and an elf, so that’s a pretty easy go to.

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- Didnt Jackson add in Sauron in TBOFA? Or a Sauron/Gandalf fight scene. Something like that. He obviously didn't care about the timeline, he just wanted people to go "O hey Sauron!!"

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While he’s not physically present in the book, Gandalf does indeed face Sauron off page in the Hobbit. Don’t mind this addition all that much.

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- Did he have no say in adding Azog? And making him the worst villain of all time. And looking like a cartoon. Or to a worse degree, the Alfrid character?

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frick up there, agreed. Have to give him a pass for the look of the Goblins, but he definitely had time to make prosthetics to make the main bad guy look good. No excuses here.

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- The barrel ride was obviously one of the worst scenes. There's no way someone could watch that scene and think that they are trying to do justice to Tolkien. It's like they went "Ok Tolkien, you wrote a witty and smart plan that was carried out nicely, but we think it would be better as a fast and furious 7 barrel ride.

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Yeah, it seems like they were planning on making that a river ride at Universal Studios.

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- He kills off Kili and Fili in a pretty ridiculous manner, different than how Tolkien wanted. Seems small but it would have easily been something to stay true to but he decided his way was better.

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Agreed. They nailed Thorin’s death though.

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Eat a fricking dick, dude. This sentence is all anyone needs to know that you’re not a Tolkien fan. In fact it’s enough to show that you despise Tolkien by insulting his son and partner in this universe. In fact Christopher drew all the maps for Middle Earth.

Christopher cherished his father’s legacy and treated his father’s texts as truly sacred. Insulting Christopher Tolkien is over the line. That post is bookmarked for anytime you have the audacity and balls to claim to be a fan. That post deserves a million downvotes.

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Thanks for this.

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You’re right Chris cobbled it together with another writer because Chris loves Money.

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You don’t know shite.

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Aren't you the one who admitted you were shocked at the end of Fellowship, because you didn't know it was a trilogy going in? Now you're claiming to be the resident expert on it?

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Yeah, but right after watching that in theaters I got addicted to TheOneRing.net, went back, and read everything. Keep in mind that there was information being spread about the Two Towers and Return of the King in the years that preceded Fellowship. After watching that movie I also read the entire trilogy by the end of January. It was crack for me. Think I saw Fellowship five times in the theater.

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A lot of fans are nervous about the "superfan" bullshite, but the showrunners have come out and refuted some of that.

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Yeah, then they imported actual Tolkien nerds to come in and watch the opening minutes, which I guarantee is simply the prologue that should be hard to frick that up since they don’t have to make original material for that. I’m sure the Prologue will be great, but the show runners seemed rather monotonous and repetitive.

That was a fantastic trailer. I’m much more excited than I was from the teaser pictures. It looks more focused on the real dynamic lore characters than the teaser pictures suggested

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OMLandshark

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Dude, I admire your defense of Jackson on the Hobbit movies but just lay down your arms.

He made so many creative mistakes. I get the studio wanted 3 movies, but ok make each of them an hour and a half.

Jackson has a tendency to bloat. We saw it with King Kong and even on LOTR.

Just because he “got right” some pivotal scenes does not a good trilogy make. After LOTR, he wanted to make everything “bigger and better”. The CGI was over the top, the action scenes were over the top, he had a chance to make real orcs but didn’t like what Academy Award winning makeup artists put together for him.

I truly get the frustration he had with the timeline he was given, but he made bad decisions regardless. The dialogue scenes between Bilbo, Gollum, and Smaug were great. They didn’t need anything added to them and he nailed them. Then he feels like Desolation needs some action-centric finale, so he added that retarded gold Dwarf scene at the end.

He added so many action scenes that were terribly not needed. The Hobbit story was good enough, but Jackson felt he needed to outdo the LOTR.

Viggo has even said multiple times, after Fellowship Jackson got carried away with the capabilities of CGI and he hated it. That’s why Fellowship is the best imo, Jackson didn’t feel the need to outdo himself like he did with each successive film.

He got carried away, blame the studio sure, but Jackson made bad decisions on his own right.

The Hobbit movies suck as a whole, I watch them regardless. But it’s more because I enjoy the world Tolkien created not what Jackson added.