re: Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power trailers (updated with new comic con trailer)

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More high horsing and Pearl clutching.

How many posthumous books this they pump out?

How many movie licenses?

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Hey, dickhead, J.R.R. Tolkien sold the movie licenses when he was alive and wanted Christopher to shepherd and edit his works and have them released when they were ready. So no, these are his wishes and you hate this universe and it’s creator.

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This deal with Amazon was made in 2017. Who was running the trust at that time?

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Dude he was like 95 at the time, so I’m guessing it probably wasn’t him. My guess is that Simon Tolkien is the one who signed off on it since he said he disagreed with his father on Jackson’s movies thinking they were great. It was to the point where Christopher and Simon had a very strained relationship due to Simon’s views on the property Vs his father’s.

This is like shitting all over Harper Lee for the “To Kill a Mockingbird” sequel that when she was conscious enough didn’t want published, but was manipulated into publishing it when she was old and senile so the grandkids could make more money. Sorry, this is not Christopher’s doings.

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Apparently now you don’t only have to like the books but you have to love Tolkiens som as your own too.

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He is critical to this series. He was the preliminary editor and the drawer of the maps. He’s the only one’s feedback that his father cared about. Don’t you ever have the balls to call yourself a Lord of the Rings fan again.

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Not his grandkids because someone has

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Christopher was a bit strained from his kids, so I’ll tolerate that since they are the obvious benefactors to this show getting made.

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1. You’re calling him a money whore,‘I’m pointing out his actions. You life to infer things and project your opinions on others. You basically called the grandkids money whores for making this deal with Amazon before you checked your dates.

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I’ll criticize the grandkids for sure because their vision is far different than from Christopher’s and his father’s. Christopher really thought the works were near sacred as they could be without being blasphemous to God. They’re in it for the money and had strained relationships with Christopher because of it.

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He heavily criticized the LOTR trilogy movies and then turned around and sold the right to the Hobbit.

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No he did. His father sold MGM those rights. Harvey Weinstein eventually got the rights to Lord of the Rings and mockingly gave them to Jackson as a joke thinking that no one would ever make a Lord of the Rings trilogy the way Jackson wanted (he was hoping for two at the time but refused to make it a single film like Harvey wanted). Then Jackson went to the final studio New Line and did his presentation hoping for two movies. The head of New Line at the time said “Why would anyone in their right mind film two Lord of the Rings films simultaneously.” Jackson starts packing his bags thinking it was over and then the executive says “This is supposed to be three films.”

That was the biggest miss in Harvey’s career which is fricking hilarious, but he held onto the rights of the Hobbit by God. The reason it took so long for the Hobbit to get made and likely why it was three movies instead of two is a bunch of studios were arguing over it and couldn’t get the rights settled for like 8 years.

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I would have bet my life that you were going to say this exact sentence at some point in this thread. You've had this dumb take since the movies came out and say it in every LOTR thread like it's something everyone needs to hear. Getting four scenes right out of 9 hours is not an accomplishment. When has this ever been a legitimate take on any movie that isn't good? "No it's still a good movie and the director can't be criticized because they got one scene right!"

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I don’t, but Christopher does. I’m taking his word for it since he knew his father better than anyone. As for what I think, I think Tolkien would enjoy the Extended Editions right up until the point Bilbo leaves Bag End and then hate 95% of the rest of it, but that’s just my opinion.

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Yes because you definitely know what a guy who has been dead for 50 years would think about one scene being left out of a movie that he never would have thought would ever have been made He'd hate the whole movie, not that they left out the Scourging of the Shire.

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I just think Jackson played the best he could have with the hand he was dealt. Look at that clip I posted earlier in the thread and you can tell Jackson clearly gave it his all. I 100% put the Hobbit being a mess on the studios bickering and money whoring and I think Jackson was the only one who prevented it from completely falling apart. If they had given Jackson another year and a half to prepare, done one 3.5 hour movie or two 2 hour movies, and given Jackson total creative control like he got for LotR, it would have been nearly as good as that. Got a soft spot for him here.

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I agree with you that I think this is going to suck. I am not expecting anything good and the main reason will because it's not a faithful rendition. But by the standards you have with this show, you should also be shitting on The Hobbit. Because it wasn't faithful either.

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The problem is I don’t think there’s anyone working on this project that cares about Lord of the Rings, while everyone across the board cared about it in the film and even in the Hobbit. It was idiotic and greedy producers in Hollywood that ruined the later. You don’t have someone like Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens as far as I’m aware trying to preserve some of the Precious at all costs.

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I will Remind you, YOU are the one who thinks this show is a sellout.

I’m Just pointing out that Christopher was still in the drivers seat when the deal was signed.

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Dude, I’m not going to blame someone in their mid 90s for “fricking up”. They’re 90, they’ve earned it and their cognitive functions likely aren’t working properly.

If I had to take a guess what happened, Simon flew over from LA to France where his dad lives, Christopher is just happy to see his son that he hasn’t seen for like 5 years, he’s nice to his dad taking him out to nice meal, and at the end Simon asks for his dad’s signature and then gives it to Amazon. I’m not going to light into Christopher over that anymore than I’d light into Harper Lee over getting manipulated in her final years.

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Yet he sold the right to the Hobbit to the same studio and director.

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Ummm, wrong, he sued them in effort to get the rights of the Hobbit back so they couldn’t bastardize his father’s works. He didn’t have the distribution rights to that property, MGM did. Christopher had nothing to do with that being made whatsoever.

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I am a fan.

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I’m a Star Wars fan, does that mean I have to love every money grab deal George Lucas has made?

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Lucas did lose his way a bit, but he never insulted the fans like we’re being insulted here and in Disney’s Star Wars. I just think Christopher Tolkien is a very bad target for ridicule and have no idea what you are talking about with him.

If Tolkien had died before 1968 when he sold some of the theatrical rights, I seriously doubt Christopher would have ever sold them. He wouldn’t give them the rights to use any of the Silmarillion in Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit. I’m going to let it slide for a 90+ year old to sign off on something, and then insult the people who likely manipulated an old man and stand the most to gain from it.

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I’m a fans I enjoy The books and the movies. I enjoyed The videos games.

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Please stop with the blatant lies. We all know that you have not read the books. Now maybe you’ve read the Hobbit, I’ll grant you that, but no you have not read Lord of the Rings. It’s obvious since you don’t remotely grasp the themes and know nothing about the universe or it’s maker writ large.

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I also don’t care what he thinks about any of these shows. He hates the first trilogy so I clearly Don’t have the same priorities as him.

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His priorities is preserving his father’s tone and work. I really think it’s sad that Jackson didn’t include the Scouring of the Shire since that’s the key and most important chapter in the book, but I understand why and don’t knock the film for not including it. If they had known how much of a success the Extended Editions would be, I think they would have filmed it and just skipped the scene in the theatrical release where they return to the Shire and just go straight to the Green Dragon instead.

The trailer is getting ratio'd pretty hard on Youtube.

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Big Fan.

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A big fan wouldn’t directly insult Christopher Tolkien like that. frick off, you liar.

Galadriel wasn't some Xena Warrior Princess.

"Harfoots" are only being used because the show can't get the rights to the term Hobbit. None of those characters shown are from any of Tolkien's works.

Elrond was born during the War of Wrath (actually the worst part when Melkor was about to win and had basically scorched most of Beleriand). So he saw the worst of the worst, including dragons and Balrogs, etc.

Just because something looks pretty doesnt mean it's going to be good. Amazon is also probably trying to tame down their previous stupidity in this first trailer to appeal to more people because of all the negative reaction to the show so far.

We will see.

I still have no hope for this experiment because we all know their true motivations aren't to make the best Tolkien work possible...

The visuals were pretty. The dialogue seemed cheesy and cliched. The trailer didn't have a Tolkien feel to it at all. It seemed more like some random paint by numbers fantasy series.