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re: Let’s talk Varys for a minute
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:47 am to King George
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:47 am to King George
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A million people were fixing to be burned to a crisp. He didn't have time to play the game. If he truly was acting on behalf of the realm he did the best he could do. He tried to reason with the crazy bitch and she didn't listen. If he cared about the good of the realm this was really his best and only move even knowing that it might ultimately cost him his life.
Why didn't he find a safe haven to wait out the obvious mad queen going mad? He could be Jon's hand after Tyrion betrayed Jon and Varys?
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:48 am to King George
Would still love to know the point of Tyrion selling him out.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:49 am to ladytiger118
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I was trying to figure out if he had sent any letters before being killed.
I am pretty sure the first letter was sent out (to where who knows?) but it was a callback to when Ned sent the letters out about Joffrey not being a legitimate King and that at the time it was Stannis who had the legit claim. Ned died shortly after but not because of the letter he sent out.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:50 am to Damone
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Would still love to know the point of Tyrion selling him out.
Loyalty
Self preservation
Dany was his best chance at survival
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:51 am to Damone
quote:When Varys explained to Tyrion that it was no longer a secret, then Tyrion knew that:
Would still love to know the point of Tyrion selling him out.
Varys would act on it.
Mother of Dragons would blame Tyrion.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:52 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Loyalty
Self preservation
Dany was his best chance at survival
Tyrion is the smartest person in Westeros, but he apparently couldn't see Dany going insane? Of all of his political maneuverings over the course of the show, his plan is so simply run and tell Dany? There was no effort made to flush out any moral ambiguity on his part of the decision, it just happened.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:00 am to Damone
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Tyrion is the smartest person in Westeros, but he apparently couldn't see Dany going insane? Of all of his political maneuverings over the course of the show, his plan is so simply run and tell Dany? There was no effort made to flush out any moral ambiguity on his part of the decision, it just happened.
If you felt that someone you’ve failed multiple times was starting to go crazy, and said person had a dragon, wouldn’t you not waste time in trying to get in her good graces?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:38 am to Damone
Tyrion backed Dany.
You can’t let a guy take out your liege lord.
Honestly, he backed the wrong horse but it’s funny that we’re both calling Tyrion dumb for not seeing this coming and saying they didn’t developed the Mad Queen angle well enough.
You can’t let a guy take out your liege lord.
Honestly, he backed the wrong horse but it’s funny that we’re both calling Tyrion dumb for not seeing this coming and saying they didn’t developed the Mad Queen angle well enough.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:49 am to weagle99
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No ones talking about the very beginning when the Spider was talking to his Little Bird. I think he was trying to poison Dany, but she wouldn’t eat so he was unsuccessful. This leads to his desperation and to him directly acting treasonous right in front of Jon and Tyrion. He knew all was lost
I like the idea of him trying to poison her. With that said, maybe a better ending would've been for him to get caught and he and the ltlle girl executed together.
This could've really driven home how dark danarys had become and at the same time, really couldn't have been argued against.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:58 am to SammyTiger
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Tyrion backed Dany.
You can’t let a guy take out your liege lord.
Exactly. And Tyrion was clearly VERY torn up inside about having to be loyal to Dany, knowing that he got his best friend executed, and the city being potentially torched. He held out hope that she'd reel it in if the bells were rung, even though he knew that there was at least a decent chance that she would burn the city anyway.
I am extremely interested in seeing how Tyrion's story ends.
Also, I feel kind of stupid for not picking up on the little bird trying to poison Dany, but yeah, seems pretty obvious now.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:58 am to CaptainBrannigan
He was spreading the information.
More than one letter went out I imagine. We've had two weeks since rhaegel went into the the sea.
More than one letter went out I imagine. We've had two weeks since rhaegel went into the the sea.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:59 am to Pandy Fackler
When you get caught committing treason, you have to pay the price. The traitor's likability is immaterial.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:01 am to ZappBrannigan
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More than one letter went out I imagine
Yeah was thinking the same. I would imagine he reached out to the Vale, Highgarden, Dorne, Storm's End, Pyke.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:07 am to craigbiggio
I also think he was being much more obvious because he didn’t feel like he had enough time.
He was desperately trying to get this coup done before Dany fricked KL
He was desperately trying to get this coup done before Dany fricked KL
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:09 am to craigbiggio
I imagine more lords of Tarly stature.
Highgarden is gone.
Vale is already under Sansa's sway.
Storm's End - occupied in show? I can't remember.
Pyke - Yara will be hard to sway from Dany.
Dorne is the big question.
Mostly unbled. But they took out anyone who would have personal reason to join Dany over Jon. Or they could just say frick all y'all and peace to being 6 kingdoms again. It's not like Drogon is even a one in a million meraxes shot to kill right now.
Highgarden is gone.
Vale is already under Sansa's sway.
Storm's End - occupied in show? I can't remember.
Pyke - Yara will be hard to sway from Dany.
Dorne is the big question.
Mostly unbled. But they took out anyone who would have personal reason to join Dany over Jon. Or they could just say frick all y'all and peace to being 6 kingdoms again. It's not like Drogon is even a one in a million meraxes shot to kill right now.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:10 am to SammyTiger
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I also think he was being much more obvious because he didn’t feel like he had enough time.
He was desperately trying to get this coup done before Dany fricked KL
His trying to kill her would have been a great way for his character to go.
Truly giving his life for the realm.
Or hell, even succeeding and killing Dany, then being beheaded by Jon would have been awesome.
Then you can spare King's Landing.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:15 am to KosmoCramer
quote:He was trying to save the lives of a million people.
Why didn't he find a safe haven to wait out the obvious mad queen going mad?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:17 am to King George
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He was trying to save the lives of a million people.
He already made his play by talking with Jon, and his discussion with Tyrion.
He can send his notes from somewhere else.
It's not the worst part of this series, but for the lord of whispers, that's a wimpy way to go.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:43 am to Damone
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Tyrion is the smartest person in Westeros, but he apparently couldn't see Dany going insane?
He also couldn’t see what Sansa was doing by telling him.
Tyrion was a flop as Dany’s hand.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:44 am to CaptainBrannigan
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think he was trying to poison Dany
I didn't pick up ok this,
How did you not pick up on it? He hinted at it last episode, the girl was clearly trying to poison someone, and one of the next scenes shows Dany in a clearly malnourished state.
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