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re: Let’s talk Varys for a minute

Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:47 am to
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:47 am to
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Would still love to know the point of Tyrion selling him out.


He was still holding out hope that she wasn't going to torch King's Landing and would be a good ruler. He chose poorly.
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Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:51 am to
Of all the potential political maneuverings, he went with "go directly to Dany and tell on him"? Just seemed cheap.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:25 pm to
Trying to appeal to her merciful better angels side. He never realized she never came back from torching the Tarlys.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:27 pm to
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How did you not pick up on it?



personally, I'm going to go with "I was hungover, and stoned."
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35914 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:39 pm to
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enjoyed tonight’s episode but Varys, Tyrion, and Jon making dumb decision after decision is hard to swallow.


Agreed. All of the sudden,

Dany kills innocents, Tyrion is an idiot, Varys is short sided and Jon can’t see the big picture.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:47 pm to
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Agreed. All of the sudden,

Dany kills innocents, Tyrion is an idiot, Varys is short sided and Jon can’t see the big picture.


I think that Tyrion just kind of ran out of options. He had to stay behind the horse that he picked, for better or for worse.

I think Varys got too desperate, saw what was about to happen, and threw up a hail mary.

Jon is just dumb.

Posted by SabiDojo
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:59 pm to
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I think that Tyrion just kind of ran out of options. He had to stay behind the horse that he picked, for better or for worse.


Doesn’t sound like something Tyrion would do. Pretty disappointing.
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
23499 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:03 pm to
Oh, I get Tyrion telling. No choice at that point.

Dany has been making statements about possibly removing him since middle of Season 7, for bad strategy. He's been able to stay ahead of that, but thin ice indeed.

At that exact moment, he is in the room with Dany, and she's clearly unhinged, but still politically in command. She flat out tells him she's been betrayed, it isn't a question. You know the Unsullied are around, maybe even in the shadows of that room. So Tyrion now faces a moment where he lives or dies, right then. Lying isn't going to cut it, because she obviously knows something, and he also does too.

She says "Jon Snow", and Tyrion has to pick. Jon, or Varys. Or himself.
Jon is the one chance they have of reigning her in, and if he'd just bed that gal things might not end in fire tomorrow. And Jon is loyal to her, so maybe he would.
Varys is dead, today or in a week. Tyrion knows she won't listen to him, so saving the future doesn't equal saving Varys.
Similarly, if he flat lies about it all, he knows he's probably also dead then and there.

Tyrion still has plans to make (Jaime, etc), so at that moment, he chooses to live, and hope things work out.
Posted by MF Doom
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Member since Oct 2008
11936 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:04 pm to
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Doesn’t sound like something Tyrion would do. Pretty disappointing.


Both Tyrion and Jaime know Bronn was hired by cersei to kill them and they still tried to save her. What a pair of fricking jabronis
Posted by LUS Tiger in FL
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Member since Apr 2010
4250 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:18 pm to
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I enjoyed tonight’s episode but Varys, Tyrion, and Jon making dumb decision after decision is hard to swallow.


Agreed- They were the reason she burned KL to the ground.

I personally think she should have killed Tyrion right after she killed Varys. How many times she said one more mistake.

Dany had to have known he would have tried to free Jaime. I dont blame her for not trusting a Lannister who has failed her in regards to the bell ringing.

John is a dumbass. He tells her he loves and she is the Queen 2 epsiodes in a row and denies her the cock twice. He could have saved KL and he knew Dany was upset when Varys met him on the shores
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