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Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:16 am to bamafan1001
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is die hard a Christmas movie?
This argument comes up every year at Christmas, it's a tradition. So yes.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:25 am to bamafan1001
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Simple way to determine: Is Christmas necessary to start and resolution of the main character's main problem in the story?
Yes. His problem is that his family is trapped in a skyscraper hijacked by terrorists. The reason they are in the skyscraper is a Christmas party. It's a Christmas movie.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 10:58 am to L1C4
Yes, greatest Christmas movie ever. And there’s Christmas music, explosions, witty Bruce Willis and lots of dead bad guys. Best ever!
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:45 am to L1C4
Nobody is going to give on this silly debate. It takes place at Christmas. That's undeniable. Christmas is not central to the plot working. That's also undeniable. Just shake hands and start arguing over whether "Independence Day" is an Independence Day movie. (Yes, it takes place before and on Independence Day. No, the aliens wouldn't have won if it had taken place on, say, Mother's Day. Yes, the title choice would be really bizarre in such a case.)
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:37 pm to randomways
The whole rallying cry for the worldwide resistance was that it was their Independence Day. It’s the title, it’s the theme, and the central basis of the plot. Next you’re going to say that “The Night Before” isn’t a Christmas movie either when it’s literally a movie about Christmas Eve.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:54 pm to kingbob
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Next you’re going to say that “The Night Before” isn’t a Christmas movie either when it’s literally a movie about Christmas Eve.
The Night Before is a modern spin on Dicken’s Christmas Carol. You have a much different message to the film if you remove that association. Die Hard wouldn’t suffer in the same manner.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:57 pm to Dam Guide
Why would his ex wife be in the building if it wasn’t Christmas time?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:17 pm to kingbob
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Why would his ex wife be in the building if it wasn’t Christmas time?
There are tons of after hours get togethers you could have. Welcome to America party since it is a Japanese company with a new building that just finished its executive level, Retirement party, executive team building party, lots of different reasons for executives to have a swank party in a new building.
Reason for John coming in could easily be anniversary or birthday.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:24 pm to Dam Guide
So, basically, we change the entire setting and feel of the movie, and it's not a Christmas movie anymore. There isn't a movie you could name where we couldn't do the same.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:25 pm to kingbob
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The whole rallying cry for the worldwide resistance was that it was their Independence Day. It’s the title, it’s the theme, and the central basis of the plot. Next you’re going to say that “The Night Before” isn’t a Christmas movie either when it’s literally a movie about Christmas Eve.
Trust me, I thought of that. The point I was making is that they wouldn't have just suddenly rolled over and died because it happened on another day. Especially since it was a world-wide attack. If the aliens had arrived one day earlier and humans decided to counterattack on July 3, well, the odds are that July 3rd would become a world-wide holiday after the aliens are brought down on that day.
My point, and the point with "Die Hard," is this is mostly semantics. "Die Hard" happened at Christmas, and there are actual Christmas trappings, so if people want to say it's a Christmas movie, that's cool. If they think that just having Christmas trappings isn't sufficient to call it a Christmas movie, more power to them as well.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:27 pm to L1C4
not a movie about Christmas, it's a movie about a terrorist attack.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:28 pm to randomways
Yes because John McClane said so!
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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So, basically, we change the entire setting and feel of the movie
Changing the time of year is not changing the entire setting. If it's such an easy argument, why are you having to exaggerate to prove your point?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:31 pm to jchamil
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Changing the time of year is not changing the entire setting.
Sure it is. It has a Christmas setting. Changing the time of year changes that setting.
If it's not a Christmas movie, why can't you offer anything compelling to show that it's not a Christmas movie. I made my argument on page 1. No one bothered attempt to refute it because you can't refute it.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:36 pm to League Champs
You don’t even need to change the time of year, you can just change the reason for being in the building the movie has the same feel. You guys are trying way too hard. It’s a just a fun action flick, Christmas is not impactful to it.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure it is. It has a Christmas setting. Changing the time of year changes that setting.
If it's not a Christmas movie, why can't you offer anything compelling to show that it's not a Christmas movie. I made my argument on page 1. No one bothered attempt to refute it because you can't refute it.
I have no particular interest in refuting it, but you're ignoring the fact that people aren't denying these points. They're denying that they make it a "Christmas movie," primarily on thematic grounds. Your argument (or whoever's argument, don't know if you made the graphic) doesn't address this point in any fashion except the final point...which is ridiculous, as any Christian, and most Westerners, can point out. Christmas is about the nativity, not the sacrifice. For the sacrifice, you need an Easter-themed movie.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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If it's not a Christmas movie, why can't you offer anything compelling to show that it's not a Christmas movie. I made my argument on page 1. No one bothered attempt to refute it because you can't refute it.
I’m actually trying to get my buddy who I fondly refer to as Hodor’s arse artist to do a cut of the film removing Christmas. He did work for GoT to remove Hodor’s thong in a scene where he was supposed to show his butt around Arya when she was still underage. I bet it would go viral and boost his resume. He’s just real busy, still working on convincing him.
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