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re: Let's Overanalyze "Home Alone" and "Home Alone 2"
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:18 pm to pleading the fifth
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:18 pm to pleading the fifth
Has anyone considered how twisted the ending would've been if Marv & Harry had carried out their plans for Kevin? They would basically tortue and kill a child.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:20 pm to FairhopeTider
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Has anyone considered how twisted the ending would've been if Marv & Harry had carried out their plans for Kevin? They would basically tortue and kill a child.
Well, Kevin tried to murder them with overly elaborate traps. Can't say I blame the guys. I just think their plan was to tie Kevin up while they sacked the house, and then leave him there with a bowl of water within reach.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:31 pm to OMLandshark
I still have this thread bookmarked and plan to bump it every year
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:33 pm to OMLandshark
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Well, Kevin tried to murder them with overly elaborate traps. Can't say I blame the guys. I just think their plan was to tie Kevin up while they sacked the house, and then leave him there with a bowl of water within reach.
I'm more referring to the scene in the neighbor's house where they are discussing how they will torture Kevin to his face. If the old man never rescues Kevin, it would've gotten pretty dark & demented.
But you make a good point. Did Kevin over step his legal boundary in defending his property? Is there grounds for a lawsuit from the Wet Bandits.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:55 am to FairhopeTider
I'm glad this was bumped again, as I was gonna do it today anyway. Caught a little of HA1 last night. I fricking love AMC story notes, btw. Cool shite (most of the time).
My new beef is with the pizza delivery kid. First of all, there was a sign on the front door that said "Back Door Please." Fine, no big deal. But the pizza kid takes the damn sign. What if it was there for all visitors to the house? shite move by the pizza delivery kid IMO.
Also, when he goes around back to deliver it, Kevin asks him how much he owes (via Johnny from Angels With Filthy Souls, of course), and the kid says $11.80. Keep in mind that this is 23 years ago. So, using the inflation calculator, that is more than $20 today. For a plain cheese pizza. I dunno, maybe I'm off but that seems like a lot of money for a plain cheese...I don't care what size it is.
Lastly, when the pizza kid buys that the VHS tape is actually talking to him, why would he not call the cops that someone he delivered pizza to was making threats and shooting at him with a tommy gun? Seems like that would be the first thing he did when he got back to work (or maybe even would've stopped at a gas station or something like that). Surely, if he had told his boss, that person would've reported a shooting/attempted murder of one of his employees, no?
My new beef is with the pizza delivery kid. First of all, there was a sign on the front door that said "Back Door Please." Fine, no big deal. But the pizza kid takes the damn sign. What if it was there for all visitors to the house? shite move by the pizza delivery kid IMO.
Also, when he goes around back to deliver it, Kevin asks him how much he owes (via Johnny from Angels With Filthy Souls, of course), and the kid says $11.80. Keep in mind that this is 23 years ago. So, using the inflation calculator, that is more than $20 today. For a plain cheese pizza. I dunno, maybe I'm off but that seems like a lot of money for a plain cheese...I don't care what size it is.
Lastly, when the pizza kid buys that the VHS tape is actually talking to him, why would he not call the cops that someone he delivered pizza to was making threats and shooting at him with a tommy gun? Seems like that would be the first thing he did when he got back to work (or maybe even would've stopped at a gas station or something like that). Surely, if he had told his boss, that person would've reported a shooting/attempted murder of one of his employees, no?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:57 am to FairhopeTider
What's the backstory on the relationship between Harry and Marv? There's obviously an age difference so childhood friends seems unlikely (especially in light of the fact that Harry never made it past 6th grade so school chums is exceedingly unlikely).
Did they meet in prison at some point perhaps? Marv seems pretty small time so the likelihood of his being incarcerated for a length of time necessary to develop a working friendship with Harry seems unlikely as well.
Maybe coworkers at some point? Could make for an interesting prequel.
Did they meet in prison at some point perhaps? Marv seems pretty small time so the likelihood of his being incarcerated for a length of time necessary to develop a working friendship with Harry seems unlikely as well.
Maybe coworkers at some point? Could make for an interesting prequel.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:00 am to CocomoLSU
As with most pizza delivery guys (at least in my area) he probably had at least 2 prior felonies and an outstanding warrant so contacting the police would be a bad move.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:03 am to pleading the fifth
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As with most pizza delivery guys (at least in my area) he probably had at least 2 prior felonies and an outstanding warrant
The pizza guy was like 18 years old. And it's hard to judge a book by its cover, but he seemed like a guy that probably has a clean record, despite the sign theft.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:18 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:19 am to OMLandshark
I think the Mcallister's purposely abandoned Kevin and even went so far as to hire the wet bandits, the old man, the Plaza Hotel staff, and even the old bird lady in an attempt to wipe their son out.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:28 am to CocomoLSU
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Also, when he goes around back to deliver it, Kevin asks him how much he owes (via Johnny from Angels With Filthy Souls, of course), and the kid says $11.80. Keep in mind that this is 23 years ago. So, using the inflation calculator, that is more than $20 today. For a plain cheese pizza. I dunno, maybe I'm off but that seems like a lot of money for a plain cheese...I don't care what size it is.
Get out of my head. I watched the same scene last night and thought the same exact thing.
My reasoning that allowed me to go to sleep was it's a ritzy Chicago suburb and the local pizza place can price accordingly.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:32 am to CocomoLSU
Something caught my eye in last evenings viewing. The neighbors house that Kevin, Harry & Marv end up in is being flooded out because it had been previously robbed by the Wet Bandits(which, btw, is a really nice kind of subtle joke at the end there).
Well, we all remember how Marv was adamant about stressing their name to the police as the Wet Bandits, "that's W-E-T Bandits!". You ask yourself why would Marv care what the cops called them? Why would they leave the calling card? The cop mentions that the calling card of flooding the houses was a nice touch as now they knew every house they had hit. This got me to thinking.
What if all of this was planned. We all know that the film takes place in suburban Chicago. We also know that the Italian mafia (or la cosanostra) has a strong presence in Chicago, and that historically mafia families have been big in the construction/contracting industry.
What if Marv and Harry were tied in with a Chicago crime syndicate? I don't know how, likely not made men as they are pretty bad criminals. But, perhaps they owe money to the family.
My theory is that the Christmas robberies were a cover for a much larger scam. Marv and Harry would rob the houses, and flood them out. Then the family would send in their construction front to strong arm the suburbanites and gobble up the contracts to rebuild the destroyed homes.
A couple small time crooks robbing homes of maybe $10-20k total.
Or a crime family scooping up a few 100k in construction contracts
Well, we all remember how Marv was adamant about stressing their name to the police as the Wet Bandits, "that's W-E-T Bandits!". You ask yourself why would Marv care what the cops called them? Why would they leave the calling card? The cop mentions that the calling card of flooding the houses was a nice touch as now they knew every house they had hit. This got me to thinking.
What if all of this was planned. We all know that the film takes place in suburban Chicago. We also know that the Italian mafia (or la cosanostra) has a strong presence in Chicago, and that historically mafia families have been big in the construction/contracting industry.
What if Marv and Harry were tied in with a Chicago crime syndicate? I don't know how, likely not made men as they are pretty bad criminals. But, perhaps they owe money to the family.
My theory is that the Christmas robberies were a cover for a much larger scam. Marv and Harry would rob the houses, and flood them out. Then the family would send in their construction front to strong arm the suburbanites and gobble up the contracts to rebuild the destroyed homes.
A couple small time crooks robbing homes of maybe $10-20k total.
Or a crime family scooping up a few 100k in construction contracts
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 8:35 am
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:33 am to CocomoLSU
Being that it is set in Chicago there probably is some fuel recovery fee and delivery service tax that is included in that total.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:35 am to CocomoLSU
quote:not EVERYTHING increases in price overtime even given inflation
Also, when he goes around back to deliver it, Kevin asks him how much he owes (via Johnny from Angels With Filthy Souls, of course), and the kid says $11.80. Keep in mind that this is 23 years ago. So, using the inflation calculator, that is more than $20 today. For a plain cheese pizza. I dunno, maybe I'm off but that seems like a lot of money for a plain cheese...I don't care what size it is
My parents bought at VCR in 1987 for like $600 bucks. That would be like $1000 today
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:37 am to CocomoLSU
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So, using the inflation calculator, that is more than $20 today. For a plain cheese pizza. I dunno, maybe I'm off but that seems like a lot of money for a plain cheese...I don't care what size it is
In a raffle a few weeks ago I won a gift card for a large cheese pizza from Johnny's Pizza. I'm not sure if that's a national chain or just a local thing, but there are locations all around the Atlanta area. Anyways, when I went to pick it up the lady said it was $15 before I gave her the free certificate. It was a fairly large pizza but nothing crazy, and only cheese.
I can see that in a fancy Chicago neighborhood a cheese costing $20, especially when you consider they may have factored in "delivery fees" or whatever else.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:50 am to Pilot Tiger
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not EVERYTHING increases in price overtime even given inflation
Right, but I'm talking about pizza, not technology.
Was pizza delivery some new fad in the late 80s/early 90s that would warrant such a high price for a fricking plain cheese?
Also, it doesn't mean that the item would still cost that today; it's just a comparison to how much that would be in today's dollars.
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My parents bought at VCR in 1987 for like $600 bucks. That would be like $1000 today
Almost $1200 (1193 and change) actually.
And that's true...it obviously doesn't mean VCRs would cost that today (they don't). But it shows a good example of how much your parents actually paid for it in 1987 dollars.Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:54 am to CocomoLSU
Also, I forgot that the family tried to call "everyone on the street" to go check on Kevin, but all they got "were a bunch of answering machines."
I know we've talked in the past (this thread maybe even) about how they could've gotten someone to go check on Kevin. Obviously they should have some sort of family nearby, but still..
And clearly they didn't call/leave a message for Marley since he was clearly home.
I know we've talked in the past (this thread maybe even) about how they could've gotten someone to go check on Kevin. Obviously they should have some sort of family nearby, but still..
And clearly they didn't call/leave a message for Marley since he was clearly home.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:55 am to WG_Dawg
The pizza comes from Little Nero's. I found a menu for Nero's pizza, which is actually in Algonquin, IL (a Chicago suburb). The McAllister home is at 671 Lincoln Ave. Wnnetka, IL. That puts the pizza place at over an hour away with traffic LINK
So, because Kevin was raised by spoiled brats he had to have Nero's pizza. Well if I'm old man Nero I'm upcharging his arse as well for an hour drive.
I also found a Nero's menu and it looks like the cheapest pizza is $10 with nothing on it. So in all actuality Kevin probably got a good deal on the za
So, because Kevin was raised by spoiled brats he had to have Nero's pizza. Well if I'm old man Nero I'm upcharging his arse as well for an hour drive.
I also found a Nero's menu and it looks like the cheapest pizza is $10 with nothing on it. So in all actuality Kevin probably got a good deal on the za
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:00 am to OMLandshark
Currently watching Home Alone, I did not realize how absolutely disrespectful Kevin was to his mom. Also, what did the McCalisters do because they were loaded.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:09 am to bigpetedatiga
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I did not realize how absolutely disrespectful Kevin was to his mom
Oh, Kevin is 100% a phlegmwad (flemwad).
But it is most likely because his parents and siblings all hate him and did a terrible job raising him.
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