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Kingdom of Heaven

Posted on 8/12/26 at 5:37 pm
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
52589 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 5:37 pm
I started watching the director's (Ridley Scott) cut of Kingdom of Heaven last night, a movie which I'd never experienced. I started watching in my small 'getaway from everyone else' spot in the house and got 20 minutes in and decided this deserves watching on a bigger screen and much better sound system.

I think I'm in for a visual treat. Hope it's not disappointing but I've enjoyed many Ridley Scott movies. Blade Runner being my favorite, which did poorly at the box office but which went on to become a cult classic and define modern science fiction. So I'm thinking it might be good. Certainly the tales of Baelin are a part of history and so it will be interesting to watch.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
22128 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 5:43 pm to
I watched the director's cut and I liked it.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
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108875 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 5:46 pm to
The director’s cut is excellent IMO.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12768 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 5:47 pm to
I got the directors cut and watched it recently.

It remains a deeply flawed film, with not nearly enough back story or build up to Balian or his abilities, with the audience left to fill in that this guy, because he is a blacksmith, is experienced with warfare, even though there’s a scene with him learning how to fight for what appears to be the first time.

Pacing is a bit difficult, sometimes feeling too slow other times breezing through so much at once it causes whiplash.

But it’s pretty and fun and definitely worth a watch.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Marathon, FL
Member since Oct 2005
14724 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 5:57 pm to
Another incorrect depiction of the Crusades. Depicting Christians as evil, backward invaders, and the Muslims as enlightened, friendly natives. A load of complete horseshite.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61448 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 6:09 pm to
quote:

It remains a deeply flawed film, with not nearly enough back story or build up to Balian or his abilities, with the audience left to fill in that this guy, because he is a blacksmith, is experienced with warfare, even though there’s a scene with him learning how to fight for what appears to be the first time.

would have been a great movie if everything about Bailan was different

if nothing else, it's a pleasure to look at





Posted by Cleathecat
Houston
Member since Feb 2021
1927 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 6:14 pm to
Wonderful visuals and some wonderful acting, Irons, Gleeson, Norton, Neeson specifically but paints Saladin and the muslims as great people. Guy was a terrible King in real life but from most accounts a decent person.

Obviously Eva Green, hot.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
72907 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 6:21 pm to
He’s an audience POV type character who should’ve had some scenes cut. Sicario was brought up on the board in the last day or so, Kate is that type of character only there’s no bloat with her scenes and the movie was better for it.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
23363 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 6:22 pm to
quote:

Another incorrect depiction of the Crusades. Depicting Christians as evil, backward invaders, and the Muslims as enlightened, friendly natives. A load of complete horseshite.



Did you watch the whole movie?
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12768 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:01 pm to
quote:

He’s an audience POV type character who should’ve had some scenes cut. Sicario was brought up on the board in the last day or so, Kate is that type of character only there’s no bloat with her scenes and the movie was better for it.


Kate was also notably out of her depths and didn’t know what the frick was going on.

Balian ran the damn war.

ETA: I actually looked up on ChatGPT why Balian was such a Mary Sue or whatever that term is.

Basically, it said that a lot of the explanation was unsaid and is mostly that he was “noticeably smarter than other characters“ so he apparently could learn warfare quickly, he had prior experience as a siege engineer in a different war, which apparently is more tactical than most modern audiences appreciate, and as a blacksmith, he actually would have been much more experienced in warfare than almost anyone else, despite the fact that they do not explain that in the movie.

All of that sounded like a bunch of hogwash to me.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 7:10 pm
Posted by Bayou Warrior 64
Member since Feb 2021
1170 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:28 pm to
It is a great movie. One of my favorites.
Posted by UnluckyTiger
Member since Sep 2003
43619 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:46 pm to
Great movie but would’ve loved another 30 minutes or so dedicated to their trek through the european forests with the snow. Ridley just absolutely nailed that scenery along with the opening scene of Gladiator.



The Viking was badass.

Also, ol Jamie Lannister is the sheriff that comes after them initially. Never realized it until a couple years ago

2000-2010 was really a great run of movies. Everything from Gladiator to The Prestige to No Country for Old Men. With some Apocalypto, Kingdom of Heaven, etc. thrown in.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 7:48 pm
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