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re: Keep politics off this board...thanks...

Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:44 am to
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:44 am to
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If you wanna discuss the politics BEHIND a show rather than within it, that is a political discussion for the poli board.


Thats just a reallllly stupid policy for a message board.

The political board shouldn’t be filled with threads about fricking Star Wars or LoTR.

Look i agree that i wish the majority of M/TV today wasn’t heavy handed political messaging. But it’s down stream of politics. That board should be for discussing government and politicians and news.

This is a dumb requests that is meant to run cover and simply “do not criticize Hollywood for ruining shite” and borderline victim blaming us as the audience. But whatever.
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:46 am to
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simply “do not criticize Hollywood for ruining shite” and borderline victim blaming us as the audience. But whatever.


Yep. We are all guilty of wrongthink for calling a spade a spade and Ellen Page a woman.
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:50 am to
Censorship Chicken at it again
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:51 am to
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Look i agree that i wish the majority of M/TV today wasn’t heavy handed political messaging. But it’s down stream of politics. That board should be for discussing government and politicians and news.

I suggested last week there should be a thread dedicated to discussing Disney (or studios in general) and it's politics, to keep it from taking over every single thread about ANY Disney content, since they own about 40% of all media. (I'm not spending the time to find the actual number, i went with first number I found from around the time of their merger with fox)
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:54 am to
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suggested last week there should be a thread dedicated to discussing Disney (or studios in general) and it's politics, to keep it from taking over every single thread about ANY Disney content, since they own about 40% of all media.


Good idea, imo.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Member since Dec 2007
37933 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:00 am to
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I suggested last week there should be a thread dedicated to discussing Disney (or studios in general) and it's politics, to keep it from taking over every single thread about ANY Disney content, since they own about 40% of all media.
Good idea. Pin that thread to the top of the Poli-Board and let them have at it.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
42731 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:06 am to
OK, but he poli board will say take it right back here.



It’s Hollywood doing this, not the fans. We’re (some of us) are just pointing it out.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 10:07 am
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:15 am to
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It’s Hollywood doing this, not the fans. We’re (some of us) are just pointing it out.

Hollywood isn't reading this message board, and people don't come to the movie/tv board to discuss politics (well, most of us).

Go picket outside the studios or something, after all, you're constantly saying that Disney is pushing things the fans don't want, so you know changing the "fans" mind wont cause Disney to stop doing the things you don't like.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 10:18 am
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:17 am to
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No, it's a total coincidence that the people cheering this thread made by a 30+ year Hillary simp are the same jerkoffs who agree with the political messages and/or try to gaslight everyone into believing they aren't there.


I'll first mention that I'm not a Dem and I can't stand Biden or Hilary, but I equally can't stand every thread on the movie board turning into a Biden, Trump, left, right discussion. You've been on here long enough to know this board was better when that wasn't in every thread. Though you're one of the ones that adds to it so you don't care. Yes, Hollywood pushes an agenda more now than ever, but there are a handful of posters that turn every thread they jump into into a political argument. 90% of the time on shows they haven't even watched, they just want to troll and make it political. Honestly wouldn't even have to have this new rule if it weren't for a handful of posters.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37717 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:18 am to
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The problem here is that we have a handful of posters who just like to argue and will do so in bad faith. The threads get stupid long and just turn into a back and forth mud slinging contest.

That’s the biggest problem overall IMO.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26368 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:28 am to
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It’s Hollywood doing this, not the fans. We’re (some of us) are just pointing it out.



It has been 'pointed out' to death though to the point that it ruins threads that were intended to talk about the show/movie itself.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63244 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:33 am to
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every thread on the movie board turning into a Biden, Trump, left, right discussion
The only time I've seen either mentioned by name was The Boys thread, talking about the showrunner saying he adapted Homelander for TV as a Trump metaphor. I don't think these threads ever become Trump v. Biden or whomever.

Anyway, it's hardly a gut reaction to or biased interpretation of things after they are released. These days, the showrunners are telling fans well ahead of time that they have implanted socio-political messaging and characters in their movies and shows. It's there by design. Are we not supposed to discuss that?
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:38 am to
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has been 'pointed out' to death though to the point that it ruins threads



Yes. And its the same usual suspects going back and forth over the same shite. Both sides arguing in bad faith for pages and pages.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45067 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:47 am to
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Hollywood isn't reading this message board
You mean Hollywood isn’t glued to MTV waiting for SEK to post another YouTube video pointing out Hollywood’s agenda?

You mean it’s just us MTV posters that open and read threads that are the target audience?

That’s nonsensical and would be like presenting an argument or opinion to people who already agree with it. And to do it over and over and expect that to change Hollywood? Only someone completely delusional would do that and complain that he might not be able to have free reign to continue doing it.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25158 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:48 am to
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Go picket outside the studios or something, after all, you're constantly saying that Disney is pushing things the fans don't want, so you know changing the "fans" mind wont cause Disney to stop doing the things you don't like.


Ok. So we just shouldnt discuss Disney or any content that simply cannot be honestly discussed without pointing out its cultural messaging then. Just ban it from the site?

Cause what simply isnt a viable solution is to discuss it superficially, and guided by rules, or to segment the conversation in different locations.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:54 am to
Holy shite


Chicken actually came through
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
40815 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:54 am to
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Anyway, it's hardly a gut reaction to or biased interpretation of things after they are released. These days, the showrunners are telling fans well ahead of time that they have implanted socio-political messaging and characters in their movies and shows. It's there by design. Are we not supposed to discuss that?


I highly doubt this is going to be some hard forced rule where anytime something remotely political pops up the thread gets anchored. It's just too often threads turn into arguments for 10 pages by the same people to the point where no one can even talk about the actual show itself. Or the political aspect is virtually irrelevant/so minor but certain people want to make the entire thread about that and won't let it go to where it drowns out any normal discussion. It's tiresome.
Posted by The Godfather
Surrounded by Assholes
Member since Mar 2005
42456 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:57 am to
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I hope this has made you so mad that you make a vow to never post on the M?TV board again. The board as a whole would thank you for your firm stance



This, it was a better place before him and it will be a better place without him.


Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
33543 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 11:02 am to
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so movies or shows with inherent political messaging cannot be discussed on the MTV board? or we are left to only discuss...what, the lighting and sound? set design?



Omg oh no we actually have to have a brain and think about movies critically? We actually have to discuss the writing and acting, directing, etc. ?? What will we do now?

Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37139 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 11:05 am to
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Chicken said if the movie/TV is political by nature it can be discussed. So a thread about the movie "Civil War" can have politics discussed in it as long it relates to the movie.

But if someone starts going on a rant about politics in a thread about Bluey, yeah that's unneeded



I don't know what rules I would attempt to install given how much more intensely political the motion picture industry (Oscars etc) have become. DEI is clearly political. It uses legal or institutional force which is favored by one political party and disliked by people from a different political party.

Proof positive about whether or not a subject is political is whether or not the Supreme Court might issue a ruling on the subject. DEI obviously falls into the category.

The movie awards industry have muddied the waters on this in a way that was not done until recently. From the Oscar requirements:

quote:

For the 96th Oscars (2024), a film must meet TWO out of FOUR of the following standards to be deemed eligible:

STANDARD A:  ON-SCREEN REPRESENTATION, THEMES AND NARRATIVES
To achieve Standard A, the film must meet ONE of the following criteria:

A1. Lead or significant supporting actors

At least one of the lead actors or significant supporting actors is from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group.
• Asian
• Hispanic/Latinx
• Black/African American
• Indigenous/Native American/Alaskan Native
• Middle Eastern/North African
• Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander
• Other underrepresented race or ethnicity

A2. General ensemble cast

At least 30% of all actors in secondary and more minor roles are from at least two of the following underrepresented groups:
• Women
• Racial or ethnic group
• LGBTQ+
• People with cognitive or physical disabilities, or who are deaf or hard of hearing

A3. Main storyline/subject matter

The main storyline(s), theme or narrative of the film is centered on an underrepresented group(s).
• Women
• Racial or ethnic group
• LGBTQ+
• People with cognitive or physical disabilities, or who are deaf or hard of hearing





Given current political culture extending into film with everything from casting to creative content (see quote above) here's not going to be a good single rule to objectively clean this up.

There could be more threads moved to the political board.

There could also be more specific posters given time outs. If you find yourself going back and forth for hours at a time with someone then you both probably have a problem.and probably the admins can give some encouragement for the persistent offenders.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 12:38 pm
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