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re: Just popped in Zero Dark Thirty
Posted on 3/25/13 at 6:49 pm to Catman88
Posted on 3/25/13 at 6:49 pm to Catman88
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Not Im not actually. The movie was just so far overrated I dont know what to tell you. It was just bad and horribly boring. The movie was about the girl. Everything else was afterthought. The erin brockovich reference is spot on.
her motherfricker line was corny as hell and
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Posted on 3/25/13 at 7:04 pm to Catman88
I love how that for half of the last thirty minutes you couldn't see shite
Posted on 3/25/13 at 7:10 pm to alexman
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I love how that for half of the last thirty minutes you couldn't see shite
I thought my TV was messed up.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 12:00 am to CP3LSU25
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Zero dark thirty was a great movie
In what way? Again, I thought it sucked really bad in several different ways which I clearly articulated in my post.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:13 am to cattus
Finally got it in and finished last night. I enjoyed the movie, it was well done but IMO, Chastain's performance nor the movie were really Oscar worthy. I believe they wanted the topic and content to be Oscar worthy but it basically showed how enhanced interrogation worked, despite some people's best efforts to say it didn't.
Chastain wasn't really anything special, could have been any number of actresses, Hillary Swank for instance.
One thing I didn't like was the build up to the SEAL involvement showed no preparation by the team. There was a mock compound in NC built for them to train on. The movie made it seem like they just sit round waiting to be called to kill people. Cut 10 minutes from her writing on some guys window and build up to the raid by showing them training to kill that shithead. Would have had more action and realism.
Chastain wasn't really anything special, could have been any number of actresses, Hillary Swank for instance.
One thing I didn't like was the build up to the SEAL involvement showed no preparation by the team. There was a mock compound in NC built for them to train on. The movie made it seem like they just sit round waiting to be called to kill people. Cut 10 minutes from her writing on some guys window and build up to the raid by showing them training to kill that shithead. Would have had more action and realism.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:35 am to simbo
Great movie in a year of great movies. Some people want more on the Seals prep, some want more background on Maya's life, some want more of the raid, they were already pushing 3 hours, do you want a LOTR trilogy?
All historical movies bend the facts to build drama, period, some more than others, I think this was close, but I wasn't there.
All historical movies bend the facts to build drama, period, some more than others, I think this was close, but I wasn't there.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:55 am to andouille
I understand all that but like people have said things ARE happening when they waste screen time showing her writing numbers on windows. The SEALS were training that entire time on a mock of the compound.
You could have shown what was happening in a 30 second clip but they were intent on showing the truth or fantasy behind her character's determination.....even if it was not all entirely true.
Showing the SEALS training instead of sitting around doesn't make it a SEAL movie. It just adds more action which is what everyone wanted anyway.....and it was fact.
You could have shown what was happening in a 30 second clip but they were intent on showing the truth or fantasy behind her character's determination.....even if it was not all entirely true.
Showing the SEALS training instead of sitting around doesn't make it a SEAL movie. It just adds more action which is what everyone wanted anyway.....and it was fact.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:59 am to simbo
Again, this isn't about the SEALs. This is about Maya and her hunt to track down OBL. The SEAL involvement was the end result. I didn't feel like I had to see them training. What would that have added, anyway? It would have just been tacked-on machismo that would have cheesed the movie.
ETA: SEALs and the military in general are fricking cooler than cool, don't get me wrong. But that wasn't the point of the movie.
ETA: SEALs and the military in general are fricking cooler than cool, don't get me wrong. But that wasn't the point of the movie.
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 9:00 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:06 am to The Sad Banana
Her writing her waiting days on the window had to be false. She would have known all that was going on the entire time. But in order for the movie to fit the narrative for Maya they had to make it seem like no one was doing anything except her. I get that but rather than that I would have rather seen all the REAL prep going on to kill the bastard.
She knew SEALS were traing for weeks......if she knew that why keep writing on a window? I get they weren't traing for 200 days and some of that was political BS but weeks of that wait was prep for the raid. Her pushing them seemed like fantasy to me.
And for everything holy, I get it wasn't a SEAL movie.
She knew SEALS were traing for weeks......if she knew that why keep writing on a window? I get they weren't traing for 200 days and some of that was political BS but weeks of that wait was prep for the raid. Her pushing them seemed like fantasy to me.
And for everything holy, I get it wasn't a SEAL movie.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:30 am to simbo
I think we agree here. I just feel like the part about her writing on the windows was fine. I had no problem with it. It kept the focus on her and the bureaucracy all while the SEALs were training.
The expectation I had when I watched the movie wasn't not centered around the raid...I knew I'd see the raid and that Bigelow would nail it (which she did). I sort of had this preconcieved notion that it would be centered around Maya and her interactions with various government outfits/individuals in her long hunt to capture OBL.
The expectation I had when I watched the movie wasn't not centered around the raid...I knew I'd see the raid and that Bigelow would nail it (which she did). I sort of had this preconcieved notion that it would be centered around Maya and her interactions with various government outfits/individuals in her long hunt to capture OBL.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:44 am to simbo
Just watched this movie last night and was about what I expected...I enjoyed it for what it was. I know the movie was not about the raid, but it would have been nice to show a bit more about the actual training for the raid, how the seals had a duplicate fortress set up to practice on for a couple of months and the very real risk that they were all going to die. I would have liked to have seen more with Maya breifing the Seals (if you read the recent vanity fair article by Bronstein you know what I mean)...overall though it was a very enjoyable movie but played almost like a documentary.
I thought Chastain was very good but her character was fairly one dimensional...they could have taken dramatic license with her character to make the movie sing a little bit more, but they stayed fairly true to life with most of it.
I thought Chastain was very good but her character was fairly one dimensional...they could have taken dramatic license with her character to make the movie sing a little bit more, but they stayed fairly true to life with most of it.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:02 am to The Sad Banana
I get you.....the movie was very well done and its a very compelling story to tell. Probably a hundred ways or perspectives it could been told from and this one was mainly Maya's. I enjoyed the CIA-based angle, didn't necessairily find it slow and I appreciate what they were shooting for.
I knew Chastain had been nominated so I was frankly surprised at how unimpressed I guess I was by her.....not sure why really.
I knew Chastain had been nominated so I was frankly surprised at how unimpressed I guess I was by her.....not sure why really.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:05 am to simbo
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I knew Chastain had been nominated so I was frankly surprised at how unimpressed I guess I was by her.....not sure why really.
I wasn't unimpressed but at the same time, I was never impressed. I never once thought "wow she is doing a bad or good job".
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:15 am to simbo
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This isn't Ab Ripper 100 or 200. This is Ab Ripper 339
quote:I don't feel like she was undeserving, but I never really got the impression that she blew me away. No one did, really. It was just a solidly acted movie all in all.
I knew Chastain had been nominated so I was frankly surprised at how unimpressed I guess I was by her.....not sure why really.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:38 am to The Sad Banana
I watched it again over the weekend. Loved it even more.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:40 am to Froman
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It's pretty overrated, which isn't saying its a bad movie
was it better than The Hurt Locker? Thought that movie was way overrated as well
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:07 am to The Sad Banana
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Again, this isn't about the SEALs. This is about Maya and her hunt to track down OBL. The SEAL involvement was the end result.
Oh I got that. And the first two thirds of the movie was fine. But, in my humble opinion, if you are going to use the elite of elite special ops troops to perform the most significant raid this country has done since WWII, I would think the preparation and execution of that raid would be very important.
My biggest beef, as I posted in another thread, was the slow and disjointed feel the raid had to it. Everything I've ever read about raids on fixed positions emphasizes speed and disorientation of the enemy. Hit hard and quickly. I assume that they had an almost exact replica of the compound built. I'd also assume that those SEALs could've walked it with their eyes closed. I just didn't feel like I was watching a DEVGRU platoon do their thing. I get that wasn't the point of the movie, but to me it was an important part of the actual events.
Edit: While I liked the movie and thought it was very well done, I agree with what others have posted that I don't get the praise it got or Chastain got. She gave a solid performance, but people here were talking about it like it was an all time Oscar great.
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 8:10 am
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:16 am to elprez00
quote:Again, why do you need to see them practice? It would be redundant. You would see pretty much the exact same thing in practice that you would in the actual raid. I think that it wasn't needed. I wouldn't complain if there were more SEAL stuff in the movie because I think it's cool, but I don't get why everyone needs to see them prepare.
Oh I got that. And the first two thirds of the movie was fine. But, in my humble opinion, if you are going to use the elite of elite special ops troops to perform the most significant raid this country has done since WWII, I would think the preparation and execution of that raid would be very important.
My biggest beef, as I posted in another thread, was the slow and disjointed feel the raid had to it. Everything I've ever read about raids on fixed positions emphasizes speed and disorientation of the enemy. Hit hard and quickly. I assume that they had an almost exact replica of the compound built. I'd also assume that those SEALs could've walked it with their eyes closed. I just didn't feel like I was watching a DEVGRU platoon do their thing. I get that wasn't the point of the movie, but to me it was an important part of the actual events.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:16 am to elprez00
What is the point of seeing the SEALs train? The film's final 30 minutes showed the raid in very specific detail.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:25 am to RollTide1987
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What is the point of seeing the SEALs train? The film's final 30 minutes showed the raid in very specific detail.
What is the point of seeing bitch on the rag write numbers on a wall
Why is it wrong to show that the SEALS did more than just play football outside a tent waiting on word on this ENTIRE fricking project?
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very specific detail.
Couldnt tell as I couldnt see jack shite for details.. They could have been playing patty cake for all I know with UBL shooting dice with his bitches when they broke in.
BTW Its awesome that we now have accounts that some of the reports that are claimed to be "accurate" in this movie are now said to be BS now by other SEALS.
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