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re: Just popped in Zero Dark Thirty
Posted on 3/21/13 at 7:46 am to Pierre
Posted on 3/21/13 at 7:46 am to Pierre
quote:Wow, really? I guess I kind of see it as how would I expect the interactions between government agencies and bereaucracies and SEAL's to be? And as far as the raid, what did you expect? Some Michael Bay Call of Duty horseshite? It was the dead of night, they had to be as silent as possible, it was a surprise attack and we even managed to unfrick crashing a helicopter.
Didnt like it. Best part was first part dominated by the male interrogator.
The female lead I found annoying And thought she painfully over acted scenes.
The final assault on the compound was a yawn.
The relationships and squabbles between the CIA analysts and each other and their superiors seemed artificially inserted to force some sort of conflict.
Again, Enjoyed first part of movie But it's all downhill after that
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Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:01 am to The Sad Banana
quote:
Some Michael Bay Call of Duty horseshite?
Nope. I read the book written by the Seal Team Member, can't think of the name off hand. Anyway, I know it's a silent raid. The movie made it seem easy, except for the helicopter crash.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:07 am to Pierre
Easy. Hm...I'm not trying to downplay your opinion, I'm really trying to consider it. I never thought of it that way while I watched. When you look at it on the surface, they are doing a night raid and no one in the compound is suspecting it. The SEAL's were all using silencers, right? And they had night vision, too? It's not like the people in the compound were hardened or anything. It was mainly a lot of women and children, a few males, and bin Laden.
I did not read the book, although it is something I want to read.
I did not read the book, although it is something I want to read.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:14 am to Michael J Cocks
quote:
SPOILER: and who couldn't see that suicide bomb coming at that "Meet the Al Qaida doctor in Afghanistan" part? That was almost like 3 minutes of unnecessary build up, but that's my only knock.
I had forgotten that that bombing happened in real life so I wasn't expecting anything. I knew the chick was being real gullible though and got a lot of ppl killed for it. She knew what Al Qaeda is capable of and she's just going to let them drive their POV unsearched into the middle of a military camp?
I watched it for the 2nd time last night and that bombing at the hotel made me jump in my chair even though I knew it was coming.
I thought it was a very good movie. The dialogue and back and forth between the intelligence operatives was great.
I'll give Argo the nod over ZDT. It was easily the best movie I had seen at the movie theatre in a long time. My heart was pounding the last 45 minutes or so of Argo.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:17 am to The Sad Banana
Spoilers:
Yes, but two things stood out for me. Each male member had access to weapons according to the book. There was also more return gunfire then just the shots fired through the door, (maybe I missed some return gunfire in the movie), with a member actually being shot and one pinned down for a while.
Didn't do a good job of showing the team member jump on the grenade (the women who might have been strapped with explosives) to save the life of his teamate.
Granted not a lot of fight back, but enough to add to the drama of the raid.
Maybe I'm just being nit picky. I was more annoyed by the lead actress than anything else.
quote:
It was mainly a lot of women and children, a few males, and bin Laden.
Yes, but two things stood out for me. Each male member had access to weapons according to the book. There was also more return gunfire then just the shots fired through the door, (maybe I missed some return gunfire in the movie), with a member actually being shot and one pinned down for a while.
Didn't do a good job of showing the team member jump on the grenade (the women who might have been strapped with explosives) to save the life of his teamate.
Granted not a lot of fight back, but enough to add to the drama of the raid.
Maybe I'm just being nit picky. I was more annoyed by the lead actress than anything else.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:24 am to The Sad Banana
Was OK but that's about it.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:26 am to Pierre
Okay, I can understand that.
As far as Chastain, I thought she did a solid job. I don't think she deserves all the accolades she got for her role, but she did play the part well. It was a solidly cast film altogether, though.
Like I said earlier, I watch these movies with my USA flag and digital camo underbritches. These military movies are in my wheelhouse and I just can't get enough of them.
As far as Chastain, I thought she did a solid job. I don't think she deserves all the accolades she got for her role, but she did play the part well. It was a solidly cast film altogether, though.
Like I said earlier, I watch these movies with my USA flag and digital camo underbritches. These military movies are in my wheelhouse and I just can't get enough of them.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:32 am to Pierre
quote:
Anyway, I know it's a silent raid. The movie made it seem easy,
It was two helicopters full of seals vs a couple of males, a few women, and some children in the middle of the night. Idk about you but I expect Navy Seals to make that scenario look easy.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:42 am to The Sad Banana
quote:
AJF
I watched it last night and thought it was excellent. I pretty much agree with everything you have said in this thread (except Jarhead, it sucked) and would watch it again in a heart beat.
I really dont get these opposing views. Chastain did a great job.
ETA - I think too many people expected the Expendables to show up at the end.
This post was edited on 3/21/13 at 9:44 am
Posted on 3/21/13 at 9:44 am to Brown Mountain
Posted on 3/21/13 at 10:29 am to Pierre
quote:
The female lead I found annoying And thought she painfully over acted scenes.
I watched it last night and couldn't agree more. That scene where her and Coach Taylor got in to was painful to watch. Overall I give the movie a meh to less than meh. Didn't deserve to be in the best picture category, that's for sure.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:07 pm to crimsonsaint
I just watched it again and I like it better than Argo.
Clarke was awesome in the beginning.
I didn't expect the raid to be a big fire fight. It was a shitload of SEALs vs an old man, a courier, and "Khalid" and then some women and children.
That's like watching UA or LSU play East Popcorn State and bitching about it not being a close game.
Clarke was awesome in the beginning.
I didn't expect the raid to be a big fire fight. It was a shitload of SEALs vs an old man, a courier, and "Khalid" and then some women and children.
That's like watching UA or LSU play East Popcorn State and bitching about it not being a close game.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:29 pm to Titus Pullo
I see Argo get a lot of play on this board. It never occurred to me to watch it. I do love me some Ben Affleck, too.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:49 pm to The Sad Banana
Jason Clarke was awesome in the movie.
It is kinda slow though. But I liked it. They go through the entire search of Bin Laden starting from basically the beginning. I liked that it did that. It also showed how crazy the search for him made everybody and some CIA agents and politicians just about gave up on finding him. I get some people don't like slow movies, but I thought it was interesting because it was realistic. We didn't find him, then raided his compound in just a few days. It took years to find him and when we raided his compound we weren't even sure he was in there. One thing I will say for Bn Laden, he would be great at hide and seek.
It is kinda slow though. But I liked it. They go through the entire search of Bin Laden starting from basically the beginning. I liked that it did that. It also showed how crazy the search for him made everybody and some CIA agents and politicians just about gave up on finding him. I get some people don't like slow movies, but I thought it was interesting because it was realistic. We didn't find him, then raided his compound in just a few days. It took years to find him and when we raided his compound we weren't even sure he was in there. One thing I will say for Bn Laden, he would be great at hide and seek.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 1:39 pm to Pierre
quote:
Nope. I read the book written by the Seal Team Member, can't think of the name off hand.
If you're talking about "no easy day", I thought the raid followed that to a T for the most part. Even some of the lines in the helo were written in the book, as well as the interaction with a female CIA operative. And he mentioned in the book about how they called out to Khallid, and he poked his head out from behind the wall and he lit him up.
The movie seemed like it used the book as it's script for the entire last 30 minutes. The only huge difference was they said the guy that shot UBL just went on about his business and no one really said anything....but in the movie they clearly made a big deal out of it and I LOL'd
because I'd assume if I were the guy that popped him, I'd be doing that dance that Lebron does when he makes a clutch shot. This post was edited on 3/21/13 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/21/13 at 2:23 pm to Pierre
quote:
There was also more return gunfire then just the shots fired through the door, (maybe I missed some return gunfire in the movie), with a member actually being shot and one pinned down for a while.
Not sure what you are referring to here. Based upon the accounts published in No Easy Day, The Finish, and Esquire Magazine's Article on "The Shooter", hardly any resistance was given by any of the men on-target, and only al-Kuwaiti (the courier) ever fired a shot. Al-Kuwaiti shot through a door at "Mark Owen" while Owen and another SEAL were attempting to breach the door to al-Kuwaiti's guesthouse. Owen and the other SEAL returned fire through the door and killed al-Kuwaiti. All the other adult males on-target - Al-Kuwaiti's brother, bin Laden's son and bin Laden - were all armed (or had close access to weapons) but did not get off a shot. These facts were corroborated by reports in Pakistani news outlets at the time of the raid that suggested only 5.56 shell casings were found in the main house (i.e. no ammo from AK-type weapons, which would have been 7.62x39mm rounds).
The bottom-line is that the actual assault was very easy for these guys - 23 of the most-experienced DEVGRU operators armed with suppressed HK416s and MP7s and using the latest 4-tube NVGs (which provide almost-perfect peripheral vision in the dark) versus 4 lightly-armed men who were asleep not suspecting an attack. The hard part was locating bin Laden and the infil & exfil. Sneaking 4 helicopters deep into Pakistan, including two MH 47s that were not "stealth" helicopters, likely involved some radar-spoofing technology that is still (fortunately) top-secret. The rumor is that the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone that was surveilling the compound during the raid also used some unknown technology to jam Pakistan's radar system without the Pak's even knowing what was up.
Whatever the case, Bigelow and Boal's desire to get the facts right for "Zero Dark Thirty" are what's most-commendable about the film. The film's fact-intensity makes it more enjoyable.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:42 pm to NWHoustonTiger
Exactly!
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:48 pm to NWHoustonTiger
quote:It has never been more appropriate...
Not sure what you are referring to here. Based upon the accounts published in No Easy Day, The Finish, and Esquire Magazine's Article on "The Shooter", hardly any resistance was given by any of the men on-target, and only al-Kuwaiti (the courier) ever fired a shot. Al-Kuwaiti shot through a door at "Mark Owen" while Owen and another SEAL were attempting to breach the door to al-Kuwaiti's guesthouse. Owen and the other SEAL returned fire through the door and killed al-Kuwaiti. All the other adult males on-target - Al-Kuwaiti's brother, bin Laden's son and bin Laden - were all armed (or had close access to weapons) but did not get off a shot. These facts were corroborated by reports in Pakistani news outlets at the time of the raid that suggested only 5.56 shell casings were found in the main house (i.e. no ammo from AK-type weapons, which would have been 7.62x39mm rounds).
The bottom-line is that the actual assault was very easy for these guys - 23 of the most-experienced DEVGRU operators armed with suppressed HK416s and MP7s and using the latest 4-tube NVGs (which provide almost-perfect peripheral vision in the dark) versus 4 lightly-armed men who were asleep not suspecting an attack. The hard part was locating bin Laden and the infil & exfil. Sneaking 4 helicopters deep into Pakistan, including two MH 47s that were not "stealth" helicopters, likely involved some radar-spoofing technology that is still (fortunately) top-secret. The rumor is that the RQ-170 Sentinel Drone that was surveilling the compound during the raid also used some unknown technology to jam Pakistan's radar system without the Pak's even knowing what was up.
Whatever the case, Bigelow and Boal's desire to get the facts right for "Zero Dark Thirty" are what's most-commendable about the film. The film's fact-intensity makes it more enjoyable.
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Posted on 3/21/13 at 5:57 pm to NWHoustonTiger
Thanks. Seems like my memory failed me and i was wrong on the raid
That said the raid was not what made the movie unwatchable.
The lead actress along with the character dynamics was really bad imo
That said the raid was not what made the movie unwatchable.
The lead actress along with the character dynamics was really bad imo
Posted on 3/21/13 at 6:27 pm to BottomlandBrew
I think it got it's nom for the compound work like SPR got it's nom for the d-day invasion, especially given 10 nominations. For me the movie was painfully uninteresting until they got to Abbottabad. Did not like Chastain's performance at all and was undeserving of a nomination.
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