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re: Just popped in Zero Dark Thirty
Posted on 3/22/13 at 9:52 am to Catman88
Posted on 3/22/13 at 9:52 am to Catman88
Again, the movie itself is not about the SEALs. It's about how Chastain's real life counterpart followed UBL's trail leading up to the raid. While watching the movie, the whole time Chastain was drawing numbers and frowny faces on glass, in my mind I knew the SEALs were training. I didn't have to see it.
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Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:00 am to The Sad Banana
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the movie itself is not about the SEALs
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Zero Dark Thirty
So dont do a bait and switch. If I wanted to watch a movie about a bitch pissed off that nobody will listen to her about her gut feeling for nearly 3 hours I will choose to spend my money on something else.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:06 am to Catman88
The movie really has an "Erin Brockovich" narrative and theme. Where it's supposedly about Corporate greed and fighting big business for the average citizen...it's really about her.
They might as well have called the movie..."Maya".
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:06 am to Catman88
Did you not read the film's synopsis before you watched it? The IMDB description clearly says this:
That synopsis has been up on the website since before the movie was even screened by critics.
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A chronicle of the decade-long hunt for al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden after the September 2001 attacks, and his death at the hands of the Navy S.E.A.L. Team 6 in May 2011.
That synopsis has been up on the website since before the movie was even screened by critics.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:12 am to RollTide1987
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A chronicle of the decade-long movie for al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden after the September 2001 attacks, with emphasis on the first 8 years rather than last hour of his death at the hands of some guys in the military or whatever they are called in May 2011. From the viewpoint of a woman with a vendetta
FIFY
Name of the movie should have been.
"He's there honest!"
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 10:13 am
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:17 am to The Sad Banana
If you mix ZD30 with Seal Team Six: Raid of Bin Laden the M/TV Board would have the perfect Bin Laden movie. They show the SEAL jumping on the bitch with the suicide vest, it shows the planning, it was way over the top as far as the gunfight at the end, etc.
SPOILERS or whatever
SPOILERS or whatever
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:20 am to Catman88
Yep, you're trolling.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:30 am to The Sad Banana
Not Im not actually. The movie was just so far overrated I dont know what to tell you. It was just bad and horribly boring. The movie was about the girl. Everything else was afterthought. The erin brockovich reference is spot on.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:45 am to Catman88
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Not Im not actually. The movie was just so far overrated I dont know what to tell you. It was just bad and horribly boring. The movie was about the girl. Everything else was afterthought. The erin brockovich reference is spot on.
This doesn't make it a bad movie. It was horribly boring TO YOU because you expected an hour and a half of SEAL team preparation and execution, not an hour and a half of the trials and tribulations of a woman who dedicated her entire career to catching Bin Laden.
Taken outside the context in which you framed it (i.e. bang bang shoot em up), it was remarkably well done. To be fair, it had it's faults. It did drag in parts and it felt like we were focusing perhaps too much on some elements that should have seen the cutting room floor.
But other than that it was very well shot, well scripted, and well acted. The audience got a real sense of the tension at the ground level, the obsession of this woman, the danger of her job, the bureaucratic headache she went through, and, finally, the actual raid itself. Although, apparently, far too much time was spent on the raid, which apparently only took 8 minutes or so.
My major beef with the movie is that we don't really get a sense of who Maya is. Literally no background is provided for her character. As a result, I wasn't drawn in nearly as much, which is why I much preferred Argo.
ETA: it seems like you expected it to be more like United 93.
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 10:47 am
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:49 am to la_birdman
I'm going to try to watch it this weekend. That, or The Hobbit (or both).
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:51 am to LoveThatMoney
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My major beef with the movie is that we don't really get a sense of who Maya is. Literally no background is provided for her character.
Well…when you're using an actual person whose true identity must be kept secret for reasons of national security as a basis for your character, you're not going to get whole lot of backstory.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:56 am to RollTide1987
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Well…when you're using an actual person whose true identity must be kept secret for reasons of national security as a basis for your character, you're not going to get whole lot of backstory.
O true enough. Can't disagree with that. Tony Mendez is 73 now and well retired, so telling his story and IDing him as the guy who got the hostages out of Iran in Argo wasn't going to hurt anyone. "Maya" is still active so you can't give too many details. All the same, I would have liked it if they could have constructed some sort of back story. I just wanted to see more of her motivation. Why, when so many others had given up, did she risk being fired, risk her life, risk everything to capture Bin Laden? It can't just be out of some sort of sense of civic duty. Everyone involved had that. It just made me not connect with her as much is all.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 10:59 am to LoveThatMoney
I mainly expected it to be more to the point with less drag. I knew it would feature the woman known as Maya (how we know she was recruited out of HS by the CIA but apparenlty the reason WHY is above the director of the CIA's pay grade)
I just didnt expect the movie to be devoted to this unappealing character and last for so long. I chose to watch it over the Hobbit because it was getting late. So it drug on and on and on with nothing really happening and FINALLY got to the point that they FINALLY found UBL and then they glossed over everything from that point on. WTF! Why no detail for the last 30 min of the movie after being subjected to our own torture for the first 130 min?
I just didnt expect the movie to be devoted to this unappealing character and last for so long. I chose to watch it over the Hobbit because it was getting late. So it drug on and on and on with nothing really happening and FINALLY got to the point that they FINALLY found UBL and then they glossed over everything from that point on. WTF! Why no detail for the last 30 min of the movie after being subjected to our own torture for the first 130 min?
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 11:00 am
Posted on 3/22/13 at 12:01 pm to LoveThatMoney
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My major beef with the movie is that we don't really get a sense of who Maya is. Literally no background is provided for her character. As a result, I wasn't drawn in nearly as much, which is why I much preferred Argo.
Exactly!!!
If they're going to do...9/11 Erin Brockovich, we need more story on her just like that movie. Where is she from? How did she get there? Does she have anyone at home...to make us feel more connected to her single-minded determination to see what she is sacrificing personally?
She was a cardboard character. You need emotional development...which is the MAIN reason it wasn't Best Picture worthy. At least Hurt Locker got to know the characters a little. This movie just misses too much by focusing entirely on logistics and intel.
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:15 pm to Catman88
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So dont do a bait and switch. If I wanted to watch a movie about a bitch pissed off that nobody will listen to her about her gut feeling for nearly 3 hours I will choose to spend my money on something else.
Well if you want to watch 2 hours of bullshite, drama amped, SEAL team 6 shite, you should watch that whack arse movie they made for TV on Nat Geo.
If you want something real, trying to combine all the shite that really happened (and most accurately) then having THE raid that punctuated all the intel gathering for 10 years with a near perfect account of what has been disclosed publicy.....Zero Dark 30 is a great choice.
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 3:29 pm to Michael J Cocks
So basiclly based on the movie what we know publically is that UBL was killed and he was found by a complete bitch on the rag..
Oh and she was recruited out of HS!!!
But thats so secret that the head of the CI fricking A cannot be told why. Yea that movie was just FULL of real facts
So making shite up there is ok but making stuff up to make a FICTIONAL movie based on a real event less boring is bad.
Oh and she was recruited out of HS!!!
But thats so secret that the head of the CI fricking A cannot be told why. Yea that movie was just FULL of real facts
So making shite up there is ok but making stuff up to make a FICTIONAL movie based on a real event less boring is bad.
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 3:40 pm to Catman88
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So basiclly based on the movie what we know publically is that UBL was killed and he was found by a complete bitch on the rag..
Oh and she was recruited out of HS!!!
But thats so secret that the head of the CI fricking A cannot be told why. Yea that movie was just FULL of real facts
lol wut? We know it was a woman that headed this investigation for the most part. In No Easy Day they talk about her being in Afghanistan before the raid and talk about her being kind of alone if believing that this was 100% UBL, so yeah....
and if you're talking about that part where she wouldn't tell Tony Soprano "everything" about her recruitment, there are certain rules in place. He could find out if he wanted to yeah, but she doesn't have to tell him.
Of course we don't know every little detail that's happened throughout the years, but from what we do know, this movie was incredibly accurate. If you can't see that, I got nothing
ETA: I guess I just can't seem to understand why you're so pissed off about not knowing every little detail of her background.
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 3:40 pm to Catman88
I fell asleep during this movie last night. Every time I woke up they were torturing people.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 3:49 pm to Broke
That's just because you're old
Posted on 3/22/13 at 3:55 pm to Michael J Cocks
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, there are certain rules in place.
Oh really enlighten me...
The fact is if you did read that other book you would know she was recruited out of COLLEGE (as many analysts are not some HS prodigy freak, that just doesnt happen) and she worked on the project for FIVE years not TEN.
Facts schmacks...
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 3:57 pm
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