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re: Interstellar is a masterpiece say insiders not related to Paramount

Posted on 9/18/14 at 10:59 am to
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 10:59 am to
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He's still made under 10 movies, only 3 of which are legitimately great films.


Memento, tDKR, Inception?
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:00 am to
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Time to break the internet.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:00 am to
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Inception had a very clear ending. For that matter so did the Prestige. And Memento.

Some on here argued that Prestige's ending wasn't clear, although I completely disagree with that.

Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:01 am to
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Memento, tDKR, Inception?

I think he'd put Prestige there instead of tDKR.

But IMO the Batman trilogy, as a whole, is fantastic, with TDK being the best of the three.
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:01 am to
i missed that thread, or i dont remember. what isnt clear about it in their minds?
Posted by yurintroubl
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:02 am to
Memento and The Prestige both end with the viewers telling themselves "Holy shite. How long...?"
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:02 am to
And to argue Inception's ending is clear is insane.

Nolan has said himself that while he knows what the ending means, he made it intentionally NOT clear.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:04 am to
I think there were a few (Casty mainly) who said that the end was ambiguous and that "the trick" of the movie was being played on us, the audience (who was "watching" the trick). And that the line about how Angier was like "Sometimes I don't know if I'm the man in the tank or on the stage" had deeper meaning, and that the ending showing the tanks/bodies led them to believe it.

I don't remember the specifics of it, but that was the gist of things.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:04 am to
yeah I want to hear how inception had a clear ending.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:06 am to
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I think there were a few (Casty mainly) who said that the end was ambiguous and that "the trick" of the movie was being played on us, the audience (who was "watching" the trick). And that the line about how Angier was like "Sometimes I don't know if I'm the man in the tank or on the stage" had deeper meaning, and that the ending showing the tanks/bodies led them to believe it.



yeah that makes no sense.
Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:07 am to
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yeah I want to hear how inception had a clear ending.



My only guess is that it's clear that Leo's character doesn't care whether it's a dream or not since he walks away from the top. Then again, he'll find out once he goes back inside and sees whether or not the top is still spinning.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:12 am to
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My only guess is that it's clear that Leo's character doesn't care whether it's a dream or not since he walks away from the top. Then again, he'll find out once he goes back inside and sees whether or not the top is still spinning.


didn't the top stop spinning earlier in the movie?

so you can argue logically that it would fall again.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:16 am to
..or that the top spinning was irrelevant anyway (and that it would fall) because it was Mal's totem and not his (his was his wedding ring).
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:20 am to
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or that the top spinning was irrelevant anyway (and that it would fall) because it was Mal's totem and not his (his was his wedding ring).



I forgot about that.

Also remember that he clearly tricked his wife that she was in a dream state, by going to deepest part of her mind and spinning the top. So in her mind the top is constantly spinning meaning she is dreaming.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:37 am to
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He's still made under 10 movies, only 3 of which are legitimately great films. (9 movies to be exact)

Kubrick made what 14, with probably 10 true to form great movies.

If Nolan never made another film, I'd still put him ahead of Kubrick. First, that quartet of The Prestige, inception, Memento, and Dark Knight is outstanding. It's not just four films, but arguably four of the best films of his era (Memento, I would argue, is the best film of the post-studio era).

Throw in a great first effort (The Following), an underrated near miss (Insomnia), and two big-budget success to varying degrees (Batman Begins and DK Rises). He's only been making films for a little over a decade, so it seems absurd to complain he has made four great films and four very good ones (OK, 3... DK Rises is a bit of a mess)

Kubrick made 12 films over 45 years. I can't even figure which 10 you think are true to form great, but that's wildly overstating things and even one of his greatest films, Spartacus, he had little control over. I'd give him 4 near perfect great films (2001, Paths of Glory, Dr. Strangelove, and the Shining) I get that Barry Lyndon has its extreme partisans, though it now symbolizes to me everything I don't like about Kubrick. I wouldn't say his other films are bad or anything. He's still Kubrick, after all. But Clockwork Orange is so over the top, and really suffers from deleting the 21st chapter, and Lolita is not nearly as good as its rep, and is nowhere near the source material. Full Metal Jacket and Eyes Wide Shut are both interesting more for their flaws than what they get right.

It seems your judging Nolan on a much harsher curve than Kubrick here, and I'm not sure how one can argue that Kubrick was more prolific. I'd already take Nolan's career over Kubrick's, mainly because I've fallen out with his dehumanizing worldview, but I admit that's a personal aesthetic choice.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:40 am to
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:41 am to
Kubrick has one of the most iconic films ever in film history. Nolan has yet to come close to that.
Posted by Freder
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:52 am to
Yea but is Bruce Wayne really dead?
Posted by Ignignokt
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:52 am to
:rotflmao:
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:54 am to
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4. The Internet will declare the film to be overrated and will proceed to pick apart the various and insignificant plotholes ad nauseum.

No doubt that this one, as sure as the sun will rise in the east, will happen


It will happen, not because the internet really believes it, but because the internet wants to appear edgy and cool.
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