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re: Indiana Jones is toast
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:10 pm to Handsome Pete
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:10 pm to Handsome Pete
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Three words: Top Gun: Maverick. The greatest movie since Godfather Part II. By your logic, it should never have been made.
Did they say before it came out they were going to malign the character Maverick? Maybe they did I don't recall so give a link to that.
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Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:26 pm to Handsome Pete
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Again, IT'S NOT OUT YET. I'm just asking you to save your anger until the movie is released and humans have actually seen it. This wishcasting for failure is bizarre.
There's a ton of bad press surrounding this movie and even people involved in it's making are saying it is awful and has been stuck in post-production hell.
This isn't just people upset that they made another one - there is a ton of bad smoke on this and Hollywood is usually pretty good about keeping that under the radar.
This post was edited on 2/16/23 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:31 pm to bcoop199
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Did they say before it came out they were going to malign the character Maverick? Maybe they did I don't recall so give a link to that.
They didn't say they were going to malign Indiana Jones either. Reread OP. That's not a quote.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:32 pm to bcoop199
Top Gun: Maverick respected the character and didn't turn him into a punchline for feminists to mock or berate. The film embraced his masculinity and had no problem showing him as the smartest (and best) man in the room.
That's what we want to see from our action heroes.
That's what we want to see from our action heroes.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:55 pm to RollTide1987
quote:That's because Tom Cruise, despite being a little bit crazy, has clout, an understanding of what works, and the drive to make something good. Hell, even his Mummy film, which wasn't popular, I thought he did a good job in it.
Top Gun: Maverick respected the character and didn't turn him into a punchline for feminists to mock or berate. The film embraced his masculinity and had no problem showing him as the smartest (and best) man in the room.
I can't see him doing a superhero movie, because a) he doesn't need to, and b) he would commandeer the film. He can't be a one-off character in a big project, he will take it over.
And he won't do "woke" just for the sake of it, he ain't got time for all that. I honestly could see him do a scathing examination of the "woke" movement, and intentially skewer it- because he would know how to do that, and he could make it sell tickets.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:34 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
frick them!
We’ll always have the originals.
We’ll always have the originals.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 10:27 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
Top Gun: Maverick respected the character and didn't turn him into a punchline for feminists to mock or berate. The film embraced his masculinity and had no problem showing him as the smartest (and best) man in the room.
That's what we want to see from our action heroes.
Mother
fricking
THIS.
All you Indy white knights need to absorb this. It's WHAT they are doing to our beloved heroes that is pissing us off, not that they are making another movie.
Although I'd MUCH rather they cast a young Indy and do some more prequel type stuff.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 10:53 pm to Earnest_P
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I’m starting to believe they just want everyone to be unhappy.
Nope.
There is a culture war underway.
They have to tear down the icons, the statues and the historical ties that made the prior culture strong and unique to build a new culture in its place.
If you disagree explain why private companies would be making movies in which existing heroes all change their nature in a negative or less masculine way and why the corporations tolerate their billion dollar properties losing money in the process.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:07 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Don’t watch it and no it doesn’t ruin the originals. You can watch them any time. Skull didn’t ruin anything. I just don’t watch it.
These people are trying to ruin your childhood, but it’s really just a cover for their lack of ability. They can’t come up with anything g original or good so they cast themselves as activists. They’re really just dumb little hacks.
Save your money and ignore these hacks.
These people are trying to ruin your childhood, but it’s really just a cover for their lack of ability. They can’t come up with anything g original or good so they cast themselves as activists. They’re really just dumb little hacks.
Save your money and ignore these hacks.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 8:47 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:54 am to blueboy
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Don’t watch it and no it doesn’t ruin the originals. You can watch them any time. Skull didn’t ruin anything. I just don’t watch it.
For all the faults of Crystal Skull, it still did right by not totally ruining Indiana's image. It was a bit dopey, had both good and bad moments, but the overall theme of the story was still OK for Indy.
quote:
These people are trying to ruin your childhood, but it’s really just a cover for their lack of ability. They can’t come up with anything g original or good so they cast themselves as activists. They’re really just dumb little hacks.
Exactly.
‘You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you wanna sell it.’ - Dr. Ian Malcolm. Jurassic Park.
quote:
Save your money and ignore these hacks.
That seems the best move.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:52 am to Handsome Pete
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They didn't say they were going to malign Indiana Jones either. Reread OP. That's not a quote.
James Mangold Admits He’s Maligning Indiana Jones’ Character
Actual quotes -
“I wanted to follow Harrison’s own lead and simply deal with it straight on. It’s not just a movie about a hero in his twilight years who is called back into action.”
“It’s more than just that his bones might ache, it’s that his soul might ache, or that some of his optimism or sense fitting into the world might have evaporated,”
Indy is old, he's hopeless, and likely depressed. Everything you thought you knew about Indy since the 1981 movie will be subverted.
Just like every damn thing else in Hollywood.
Burn it down. Destroy the past. Kill it if you have to.
Even if Mangold didn't SPECIFICALLY utter the word 'maligned', that's not denying the fact that it's exactly what is happening.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:55 am to Handsome Pete
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Again, IT'S NOT OUT YET. I'm just asking you to save your anger until the movie is released and humans have actually seen it. This wishcasting for failure is bizarre. It's ok to worry they've screwed it up, but that's not what you're doing.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 2:19 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
The de-aging in the trailers looks horrible
Posted on 2/17/23 at 6:05 pm to Bottom9
People mainly have issues with change in two areas:
1. Re-imagining a character, when it is played by the same actor, supposedly portraying the same person. Luke Skywalker is the perfect example - Mark Hammill said as much before they silenced him.
2. Changing a character due to political leanings (and that is what it is - not social change), i.e. the softening of a womanizing James Bond, the changing gender and left-leaning storylines of Doctor Who, making Sulu gay in Star Trek, when the character clearly wasn’t before (ask Takei - a gay man who hated it), etc.
If it is a re-imagining of a character and comes with different actors/directors, etc. doing a different (almost original take) - then I really don’t have a lot of problems with it. I may not like the take, but get that people have different interpretations - i.e. Joker, Batman, Spider-Man, etc.
1. Re-imagining a character, when it is played by the same actor, supposedly portraying the same person. Luke Skywalker is the perfect example - Mark Hammill said as much before they silenced him.
2. Changing a character due to political leanings (and that is what it is - not social change), i.e. the softening of a womanizing James Bond, the changing gender and left-leaning storylines of Doctor Who, making Sulu gay in Star Trek, when the character clearly wasn’t before (ask Takei - a gay man who hated it), etc.
If it is a re-imagining of a character and comes with different actors/directors, etc. doing a different (almost original take) - then I really don’t have a lot of problems with it. I may not like the take, but get that people have different interpretations - i.e. Joker, Batman, Spider-Man, etc.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 6:18 pm to Bham4Tide
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the changing gender and left-leaning storylines of Doctor Who,
Captain Jack Harkness was adored by the vast majority of Dr. Who fans, but that wasn't enough. They just HAD up the levels of 'muh representation' & 'duhversity'. There's just zero balance with these people. It's 100% accept what's being shoved down your throat, or you're a bigot, racist, misogynist, 'phobe, whiiiiiiite nationalist.
It's all bullshite.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:40 pm to Scoob
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That's because Tom Cruise, despite being a little bit crazy, has clout, an understanding of what works, and the drive to make something good. Hell, even his Mummy film, which wasn't popular, I thought he did a good job in it.
That’s the difference between Cruise and Ford and to a lesser extent Hamill. I think Hamill regrets what he did now though. Cruise cares about his characters and who he portrays on screen. Ford gives zero fricks about Star Wars and Indy at this point and just collects the paycheck. I don’t think Ford ever really gave a damn about Han, he may have liked Indy a bit better, but he stopped caring before the abortion that was the last one. Had Ford and Hamill cared, they wouldn’t have signed up for this nonsense. Hamill should have stepped up and said this isn’t Luke Skywalker and not done the movies. Ford just gives zero fricks.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:30 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute.”
- 1984
- 1984
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:34 pm to Handsome Pete
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Again, IT'S NOT OUT YET. I'm just asking you to save your anger until the movie is released and humans have actually seen it. This wishcasting for failure is bizarre. It's ok to worry they've screwed it up, but that's not what you're doing.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:22 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
SEK, please don’t take this the wrong way, but your are a board killer. Everything you post belongs on Poli.
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