re: House of the Dragon S1E7: “Driftmark”--Official Thread

Yep, in an alternative scenario there is really no fomenting or fractioning.

Maybe Rhaenyra remains named heir, maybe not. But there would be no budding Civil War amongst the realm.

Come to think of it, the original sin is really marrying Alicent. You don't do that, the Hightower's just remain a mid major House with some schemey men.

Otto Hightower's suggestion of marrying Rhaenyra to Aegon wouldn't have been the worst idea she is still capable of having children and he seems like he is ready to jump in bed.

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I think the best part of the show is that while the looming conflict has been framed as inevitable it really wasn’t/isn’t and that’s the tragedy of it

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E6 was so sad for me because it made you (or me at least) dwell on this. It didnt have to happen. The king marries the right childbride? No marriage. Otto doesnt serve his daughter up the grieving king? Same.

and many more.

People and their personal failings, blowing past the off ramps, and getting everyone killed.

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give the fat dude credit here he really did craft a compelling story out of whole cloth

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Would be nice if he finished that other story...

A lot of his inspiration came from a civil war in England known as the Anarchy. King Henry I had named his daughter Matilda his heir and made the barons swear to uphold her rights. After he died however her cousin Stephen of Blois claimed the crown. The war was incredibly destructive and neither side achieved much.

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Yeah but if all the people with dragons say they are legitimate then who is gonna say otherwise?

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This is my whole argument in a nutshell. If the Hightowers would’ve backed Rhaenyra, no one else would’ve said shite, because they would have all the dragons

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Didn't know there was such a feverish contingency of 8th century patriarchy defenders around here lol

What is it? Does Alicent get you going cause you imagine a world where a woman would actually be with you since she would feel forced to due to laws and pressure?

You know, there are countries where that dream can come true for you? Woman will even be forced to cover their whole bodies so as to not risk you getting jealous and having to kill her.

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Bronc the Feminist....you seem kinda slow so let me spell it out for you.

ASOIAF is a medievel and feudal setting...not unlike the middle ages of europe circa the 9th - 13th century. IT IS A PATRIARCHIAL SOCIETY. there is no feminism during this time and women are expected to act a certain way and play a specific role.

no matter how hard you try to deny it, Rhaenyra is a whore in that world which i've just described. and she has bastards which is an abomination in that world. Alicent on the other hand is a fine example of how a Lady in that world is expected to act.

now please stop smearing your feces all over this thread trying to shoehorn your post-modern ideals in a world where it doesn't exist.

His poly is that there is a double standard for women in Westeros.

But I also think there is a 0% chance Alicent didn’t frick the king before they were married .

Imagine being the type of incel that thinks hes sitting on the high horse naming a woman that had sex with roughly 3 people consensually across 20 years as a “whore”

I swear those old jokes during the Iraq War about hyper social conservatives just being America’s version of Isis/Taliban - Spider-Man pointing at Spider-man - really is shining thru with a show about dragons of all things lol….

Also, as already discussed, bastards very often have had legit claims to the throne in Martin’s world. You throwing around GoT yet somehow missed the fricking multi season plot about Robert’s bastards and Cersei hunting them down, and Gendry becoming a threat or weapon based on which faction he ended up near because like Rhaenyra, Gendry had the blood of the ruler in him and therefore had a claim to the throne.

I’m sorry, but him dragging his aggressive incel bullshite into this thread and then getting basic facts wrong(like bastards are seen as an abomination, being incapable of grasping how the book was written from biased perspectives of authors) when literally three of the biggest events in all of Martin’s world all involved bastards having legitimate, rightful claims to the throne(Blackfyre Rebellion, Gendry Baratheon, Jon Snow) can only be described as confidence in the face of overwhelming retardation.

And no offense QC, but both you and other team Greener’s seem to have in common that you ignore obvious context in order to support her. Boodis is just amongst the most insufferable, since his support is clearly built entiriely around the fact that for him there is no greater good than a woman being subservient to her patriarchal duties in this world, and no greater sin to him than not. Even if the former is playing genocide, fomenting treason and open war, wanting to cut out the eyes of children and attempted to kill the King’s daughter, that all means nothing compared to the greatest sin of a woman having decisions in who she consensually fricks lol

TBC I wasnt referring to you in anyway, I enjoyed going back and forth with you on Greens vs Targaryens yesterday, even if I do think you sometimes were frustratingly ignoring context lol, and I think that stuff forces people to have fun analyzing why they like or dont root for people, and whether it holds up....boodis though is just a miserable shite that seems to have a weird relishment of subservient patriarchal woman, and annoyance with anyone that doesnt, who yeah, unless prompted I should be ignoring more. You are correct