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re: House of the Dragon S1E6: “The Princess and the Queen”--Official Thread
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:48 pm to Yeti_Chaser
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:48 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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But regardless it is the best thing for the realm that Rhaenyra fricks off and Alicient and her children rule westeros
Viserys has long named Rhaenyra as his heir. How old is Aemon and the King hasn't publicly gone on record and say that he is setting aside Rhaenyra as heir in favor of his true born son, Aemon?
The realm is fkd if Aemon sits the throne. Allicent has to take Rhaenyra out of the picture as heir. Definitely going to try and kill off Rhaenyra with the tongueless dudes.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 1:53 pm
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:48 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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I'll agree with you that Alicient isn't doing it for the good of the realm. But regardless it is the best thing for the realm that Rhaenyra fricks off and Alicient and her children rule westeros
I mean except for the fact Rhaenyra would be a pretty benign leader while Alicent's son looks to be a little fricking terror. So really depends on what perspective you are looking at this from.
Though at the end of the day, and this is the irony of a lot of it, it really doesn't matter a ton to most of the people living in this world. Life will be shite no matter what.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:51 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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Seems like Daemon has lost some power
Well he can marshall some forces by using his dragon in support of Pentos. Pentos is extremely wealthy and he would then have support of Pentos, Pentos allies, and sell swords from Essos.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:09 pm to Bronc
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I mean except for the fact Rhaenyra would be a pretty benign leader while Alicent's son looks to be a little fricking terror.
Alicent reminds me of that Mom that puts on like everything's good and her FB is all FOMO-y.
But behind closed doors her life is a fricking shite show and her kids are sociopaths.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:14 pm to prplhze2000
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No rewatches. Just found it disturbing and it had no place in the show.
Sounds like you're afraid of how chubbed up the scene made you
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:16 pm to Bronc
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while Alicent's son looks to be a little fricking terror.
Loved hearing the little shite scream, "I'M THE PRINCE", or something similar, as Harwin slung him to the ground
Insert Tywin quote here
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:19 pm to Bronc
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except for the fact Rhaenyra would be a pretty benign leader while Alicent's son looks to be a little fricking terror.
Yeah maybe so but with Rhaenyra you get a guaranteed civil war. Is Aegon going to be that bad that he's worth a civil war? I guess there's no way to know. You think Rhaenyra's fatherless bastard is going to grow up to be a good king? Probably not, but again no way to know for sure.
But no mother is going to think her child is so terrible that they would be better off having a civil war. I can't blame Alicient for being biased towards her children and also trying to protect them from Rhaenyra. And I also can't blame her for thinking that wedding her daughter to Rhaenyras bastard isn't going to solve anything. It seems like everyone knows they're bastards, it's not some secret that only Alicient knows. It could very well lead to discord between her son and daughter down the road when people continue to tell Aegon he deserves to be king. A mother doesn't want war between her son and daughter
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:23 pm to LuckySo-n-So
Are all Targaryens immune to fire? I remember Dany was and Daemon was able to fly through it no problem.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:37 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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Yeah maybe so but with Rhaenyra you get a guaranteed civil war.
I guess, but you only get it because Alicent is fueling the fire for it and is all going to betray the King's wishes upon his death.
Had she took Rhaenyra's offer, the one her husband, the king and the only reason she has ANY power supported, they would form an alliance no one could reasonably believe they could topple.
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You think Rhaenyra's fatherless bastard is going to grow up to be a good king?
His temperament so far seems a lot better, but more importantly, the proposed line of succession would have been Visery -> Rhaenyra -> Jacaerys(Rhaenrya's Son)/Helaena(Alicent's daughter) as co-rulers.
To me everything about Rhaenyra's proposal and paths of succession is superior. It would piss off the hardline patriarchs, but with Old Town, Valeria, and Targaryen united, no one could do shite about it.
But of course, Alicent has grown paranoid and resentful and that seemingly will never happen.
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It could very well lead to discord between her son and daughter down the road
Maybe, but one of the most important scenes giving us insight into Alicent's psyche was with that son. Who it was pretty clear would be fine just living life like he is and doesn't really care for the crown anyways. But Alicent violently imposed upon him that he needs to be king. Tried to infect him with her paranoia. When what she is really saying is she wants it.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:50 pm to LuckySo-n-So
One thing I'm pondering - what's the benefit of Alicent teaming up with Larys? What's stopping her from ratting on him and/or having him killed?
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:58 pm to Jebadeb
Ratting on him for doing something that she wanted to be done? She has someone who can do things she wants done without getting any blood on her hands, what would be her reason for wanting him to be killed?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:12 pm to prplhze2000
quote:Shades of Homelander.
So they were showing a naked underage boy jacking off (standing in a window overlooking the Capital)
I was just waiting for him to say “I can do anything I want.”
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:30 pm to AggieHank86
First off great episode and next week looks awesome too.
Might nit be the popular vote but I am big on team Alicent. Love the character and how she handles herself. Plus easy on the eyes.
Rhaenyra looks worn down to me. Too much whoring and kids will do that. Chickens are coming home to roost. And her husband the Obama look alike is weak. She clearly is the brains of the operation.
When the king dies can't wait for the vultures to gather.
Might nit be the popular vote but I am big on team Alicent. Love the character and how she handles herself. Plus easy on the eyes.
Rhaenyra looks worn down to me. Too much whoring and kids will do that. Chickens are coming home to roost. And her husband the Obama look alike is weak. She clearly is the brains of the operation.
When the king dies can't wait for the vultures to gather.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:42 pm to Jebadeb
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One thing I'm pondering - what's the benefit of Alicent teaming up with Larys? What's stopping her from ratting on him and/or having him killed?
She has no proof. And Larys seems to be a REALLY calm and composed liar.
"You just told me you were behind it!"
"No I didn't."
Reminds me of Varys but without morals.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:44 pm to Peter167
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Are all Targaryens immune to fire? I remember Dany was and Daemon was able to fly through it no problem.
No. Remember Dany's brother got burned to death with the melted gold or whatever it was in season 1
ETA: Also was anyone waiting for Daemon's newborn to be sitting there in the ashes of his now burned mother?
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:46 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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She has no proof. And Larys seems to be a REALLY calm and composed liar.
"You just told me you were behind it!"
"No I didn't."
Reminds me of Varys but without morals.
A very off-putting calmness around Larys. Even before he was shown as a player in the game, I was skeeved out with him during his 1st appearance as he sat with the ladies during Aegon's nameday hunt.
Him putting the hit out on his dad and brother at the drop of the hat is wild, and I'm not sure if I'm ready for the depravity he is capable of.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:47 pm to DirtyDawg
quote:why did that bother you?
I was skeeved out with him during his 1st appearance as he sat with the ladies during Aegon's nameday hunt.
He has a clubfoot and probably cannot ride a horse well enough for an active hunt.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:48 pm to etm512
Dany was a special one off.
I mean, it's clear that Laena wanted to die the way she did as it was customary for a dragon rider to die by fire.
I mean, it's clear that Laena wanted to die the way she did as it was customary for a dragon rider to die by fire.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:51 pm to AggieHank86
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why did that bother you?
He has a clubfoot and probably cannot ride a horse well enough for an active hunt.
Not anything he did/said, and more his overall demeanor and vibe he was putting off
I think the actor does a fantastic job playing his role without dialogue or anything directly stating what he's doing.
I also found it odd since there were plenty of other places to sit and socialize, but he chose the circle with all the upper crust ladies + the Queen. And he began the scene with lurking around the ladies as they spoke, and then broke in and asked to join.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:53 pm to DirtyDawg
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Him putting the hit out on his dad and brother at the drop of the hat is wild, and I'm not sure if I'm ready for the depravity he is capable of.
In the book, it wasn't known to the court that the dad was traveling back to Harrenhal with Harwin. So, it was believed that the father was collateral damage to whoever set this up. I felt like the show was maybe trying to show this with Harwin being in the room with fire and the dad on the other side. That may not be the case in the show, of course.
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