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re: House of the Dragon S1E1--Official Thread; "The Reign of House Targaryen Begins"
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:36 pm to cgrand
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:36 pm to cgrand
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Also I wouldn’t read too much into that conversation...watch the “inside the episode” thing that aired after the show, the writers said it was just a cool way to tie the two shows together. I don’t think they intended for there to be more to it than that
One of the creators of the show said it came directly from Martin. That one piece of information changes how you view the actions of most all of these Targ kings and heirs.
I wasn’t really feeling the show until the scene with the king and his brother. That took it up a level.
One thing I didn’t see mentioned about the c-section is that the reason people had a problem with the king here is that at no point did he explain to his wife what was happening. He let her die in agony and confused. Makes him look weak.
Everything I heard about this Daemon character was that he was actually complicated and not a straight villain. It’s pretty clear that dude is a POS.
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Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:42 pm to Greace
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HDR or no?
This shite is really fricking people with tv’s that can’t handle it. I watched a show on Amazon and they hit me with this I had no idea what was going on and couldn’t see shite.
On this episode I couldn’t see what was happening when Daemon and the boys started chopping people up. Had no idea someone got castrated.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:45 pm to landrywasbeast30
quote:i’m smart enough and I was paying attention and I still got the impression he chose his heir over his wife. It was not clear to me that he “had no choice” although in hindsight I suppose that was the writers’ intent
One thing I didn’t see mentioned about the c-section is that the reason people had a problem with the king here is that at no point did he explain to his wife what was happening. He let her die in agony and confused. Makes him look weak.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:56 pm to cgrand
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with the king here is that at no point did he explain to his wife what was happening.
It was a veiled reference to denying a woman’s choice, i.e. abortion.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 10:16 pm to weagle99
It is not following the book at all. That being said I enjoyed the first episode. I love Matt Smith but he is a terrible choice for Daemon. I like everything else. I'm still apprehensive
Posted on 8/24/22 at 10:39 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Everything I heard about this Daemon character was that he was actually complicated and not a straight villain. It’s pretty clear that dude is a POS.
Like Jamie Lannister after it was revealed he fricks his sister, killed the former king and pushed a child out a window in episode 1?
Kind of the a thing with Martin to subvert primal storytelling expectations of characters and story archetypes.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 10:55 pm to weagle99
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It was a veiled reference to denying a woman’s choice, i.e. abortion.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:21 pm to weagle99
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It was a veiled reference to denying a woman’s choice, i.e. abortion.
She had no choice. She was going to die. It’s the fact that he didn’t take a second to say, “you’re not going to make it out of this, but we have a chance to save the baby”. His decision wasn’t wrong, not giving his wife a heads up was wrong.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:31 pm to Bronc
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Like Jamie Lannister after it was revealed he fricks his sister, killed the former king and pushed a child out a window in episode 1?
Jamie went through a lot of shite to redeem himself. And there was never a sense that Jamie was some bloodthirsty monster.
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Kind of the a thing with Martin to subvert primal storytelling expectations of characters and story archetypes.
I heard him talk about this. I get it. I brought up this specific character because I heard a lot of talk about he’s complicated and not pure evil. Seems to me this is the kind of dude that would burn shite to the ground if he had full power of a king.
The guy put together a giant party/orgy after his SIL and baby nephew died. And I’m pretty sure he is grooming his barely a teenager niece.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:12 am to landrywasbeast30
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And there was never a sense that Jamie was some bloodthirsty monster.
Yeah like when he didn’t massacre Ned Stark’s party in Kings Landing. He was just kidding around.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:47 am to cgrand
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It was not clear to me that he “had no choice”
The Maester flat saying he could maybe save one wasn’t clear?
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:56 am to Havoc
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Yeah like when he didn’t massacre Ned Stark’s party in Kings Landing. He was just kidding around.
It’s not like Ned’s wife had “arrested” Jamie’s brother threatening to kill him.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:27 am to PassingThrough
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e was a successful author and TV screenwriter before ASOIAF.
Not exactly true depending on how you define successful. Yes he was in the business but it was not until he wrote ASOIAF that he actually become a real success. Prior to that he bounced around multiple times writing short stories, novels, and TV writing. He was like a 1000s of others in the industry that were employed but struggled. He finally got mad when in TV his pilots were not getting made and jumped back to writing in 1991 when he started on ASOIAF.
Again you have your opinion and how you define successful but Martin himself would not agree and why he continually bounced around until he wrote ASOIAF.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 8:32 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:36 am to SoDakHawk
Ruining R+L=J is scary pissed people off the most. Had the show ended with Jon Targaryen on the throne it would have been much more palatable.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:40 am to The Ramp
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It is not following the book at all.
True but the book is a collection of the history during that time more than a story to be told for the screen.
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That being said I enjoyed the first episode
I enjoyed and even the stray from the book they ramped up some of the story plots by creating some early character bonds that will have a greater impact depending on how the season develops.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:40 am to TideWarrior
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Again you have your opinion and how you define successful but Martin himself would not agree and why he continually bounced around until he wrote ASOIAF.
Armageddon Rag made him quit writing novels is was such a flop.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:51 am to Philzilla2k
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Armageddon Rag made him quit writing novels is was such a flop.
As well as the movie adaptation he tried to get made for it never happened. He had a tendency to not stay on point and follow through as well with projects.
I give him credit he stayed in the industry but why many of his fans for his writing of ASOIAF are upset with him is because he created such a great series without finishing it, which also allowed lead to HBO butchering a series without his finish.
No one will argue that ASOIAF was bad.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:01 am to landrywasbeast30
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Jamie went through a lot of shite to redeem himself. And there was never a sense that Jamie was some bloodthirsty monster.
No, but Jamie in the novel and the show was framed very negatively early on.
A smug, sister fricking, entitled traitor to 2 kings that literally pushed a child out a window to protect his sister fricking secret love child with the Queen.
He comes off, intentionally, as one of the most despicable, selfish, irredeemable people in the cast early in the series.
The point is the idea that we can nail down a character this early, from an author that intentionally tries to paint pretty much everyone, with a few notable exceptions, with deep shades of grey, is probably premature.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:08 am to Bronc
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entitled traitor to 2 kings
Kind of the great thing about this whole book/series. You can view the same character from two different angles and see a villian or a hero. There is loyalty to you're house, you're allies, and the throne. Sometimes those loyalties pit the character against those he would otherwise be aligned with.
Jaime did betray the Mad King but the Mad King was about to burn everyone... He committed regicide to prevent genocide.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:14 am to Bronc
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A smug, sister fricking, entitled traitor to 2 kings that literally pushed a child out a window to protect his sister fricking secret love child with the Queen.
Unfortunately D&D chose to end him on this note too. “I never really cared about them”
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