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re: House of the Dragon | S1 E9 | The Green Council
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:16 am to Tiger Prawn
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:16 am to Tiger Prawn
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Big different though is if Otto gets to Aegon first, he can convince Aegon to give the order to have Daemon and Rhaenyra assassinated.
If Alicent gets to Aegon first and convinces him to spare his sister and uncle, but Otto orders them killed anyway...Otto knows once Alicent or Aegon find out about it that he's going to be removed as hand and probably executed for treason.
I don't think they would execute Otto for Treason but Alicent's action definitely make logical sense. The king dies and its obvious that the small council and her dad have plans in place to Usurp the Throne and will kill a lot of people in order to secure it. At that point she gets her hands on Aegon so she can slow the whole thing down and see if she can avoid the War that will most definitely kill a bunch of her family.
Protecting your own makes logical sense. Staring down the enemy and leaving them alive at the expense of your own does not.
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:22 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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The point is made when she bursts through the floor. She should have headed straight for the door. Staring down the Greens was just dumb. You don't spare "Family" that clearly showed you that they view you as the enemy and are most likely gonna kill you when they get a chance.
And if you want to take the family angle, I think Rhanys has a ton more allegiance to her two granddaughters than her cousin in law that imprisoned her.
Characters, like people in real life, make emotional decisions at times. It's not always the best logic.
I don't think she feels its "her fight" in that moment. She's pointing out to them which side she is on and is leaving to join that side. She was told to ring a bell when she made up her mind while locked up. That was her giving them her decision.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:24 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:17 pm to blueboy
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just fry them all right there
I guess it's also possible that some of the Targaryens might be immune to fire (think Daenerys)?
I don't believe that's a common trait, because we've seen some of them get burned (think Daenerys' brother). Laena Velaryon also got smoked in HotD, with Valyrian blood.
Surely the real answer is because it's a TV show and they're setting up future conflict — the dragon could've still killed them in other ways — but it's kind of interesting to consider that it might at least be some sort of mythos in that universe.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:01 pm to SPEEDY
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Obviously not a book reader, so coming from this as a newb, so maybe I misread the scene wrong or missed a scene earlier in the series where the importance of the dagger was explained.
Prior to the scene in the carriage, Aegon had zero interest in the crown, the throne, the armies, the kingdom. None of the stuff that comes with being King.
But as soon as his mom opened that case, Aegon’s whole demeanor changed and he said sometime along the lines of, “don’t toy with me like that”. It’s like he became excited.
I mean the iron throne has obviously been passed from king to king and it’s full of cutting blades, but Aegon couldn’t give two shits about that
I honestly thought the kid was thinking about killing himself and thats why he said "don't toy with me" when his mom gave him the knife. I thought alicent was giving him a way out so that Aemond could be king.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:32 pm to TigerMan327
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Yes but Aegon likes his mom more than the hand. And Alicent has more power than the hand. Him getting to her son before her and still putting him as king the next day isn’t going to change a lifetime of Aegons loyalties.
I actually see Aegon no different than Joffrey. Remember his mother and grandfather both thought they could control him. But once he got the crown placed on his head that was all she wrote as he became abusive and could care less what others wanted of him.
IIRC he was the only one wanting to cut off the head of Ned Stark. Aegon looks to be cut from the same clothe.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:44 pm to TideWarrior
Joffrey is what Aegon would be if he was told his whole life that he was next in line for the throne. He never knew that level of power and importance, so he was happy to drink his days away. You could see in his eyes that he loved hearing the cheers from the crowd. Now that he has had a taste of power, I agree we are going to see him become hard to control.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 2:13 pm to paperwasp
quote:if they werent tied to the source material, the real badass move would have been for rhaenys to order her dragon to just chomp shithead aegon and swallow him whole...then bounce
the dragon could've still killed them in other ways
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:33 pm to Indefatigable
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Why quote the spoiler-ish post?
That's no better than posting it yourself.
1. Because it was funny.
2. This is GOT universe written by GRRM, do you think anyone is safe?
I've read the book and and recently re-read it. I'm not saying he's right or wrong. Plus, the show has taken several detours from the book already so it's not like knowing what happened with the book will help predict the show.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:35 pm to TigerDeacon
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I've read the book and and recently re-read it.
Nice. Make a book board thread, ya worm!
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:43 pm to ShootingsBricks4Life
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Nice. Make a book board thread, ya worm!
Or maybe just take a breath and not be so serious.
No one is in here telling who the winning side will be. Truthfully, I don't see how they will adapt what happens in the book (which only part of it is about the Dance of Dragons). Too many events, characters, etc. So, any knowledge from the book would only be slightly indicative of what will happen in the show.
Plus, the book is a history written years after the events, that is taken from 3 "sources" each of whom wrote different versions of events also years after they happen.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:50 pm to TigerDeacon
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No one is in here telling who the winning side will be.
Nobody in this thread wants to hear about the books period. It’s not that hard to follow the simple rules.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 4:04 pm to diddlydawg7
Posted on 10/18/22 at 4:08 pm to TigerDeacon
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Because it was funny.
Spoilers aren't funny. Most people here have not read the book(s).
What purpose is there in posting them?
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Plus, the show has taken several detours from the book already so it's not like knowing what happened with the book will help predict the show.
Yea, bullshite. It has been tracking F&B and the novellas almost exactly on the main plot points, as you are fully aware.
Just take the L and edit your post.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/18/22 at 4:09 pm to TigerDeacon
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No one is in here telling who the winning side will be
No one here wants any information, hints, innuendos, jokes, or anything else about the book lore to the extent it concerns future events in the series.
It is not hard to comprehend.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 4:28 pm to Indefatigable
I wasn’t a poster in the main GOT run but I remember there was a thread for book speculation/comparison.
Is there some movie/tv board reason we don’t have a similar thread for HOTD?
You’re never going to stop the asshats, but it would probably help prevent some accidental spoiling by the people doing their best to thread the needle.
Is there some movie/tv board reason we don’t have a similar thread for HOTD?
You’re never going to stop the asshats, but it would probably help prevent some accidental spoiling by the people doing their best to thread the needle.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 4:32 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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Is there some movie/tv board reason we don’t have a similar thread for HOTD?
Probably because there’s no need for theories or “book knowledge” speculation, which is what 90% of the book reader GoT thread was. This story is already written to its conclusion so readers straight up know the entire plot.
I wouldn’t be opposed to one for comparisons and discussion, but I don’t know how much traffic it would get. It also sadly wouldn’t prevent things like the spoilers in this thread. Some people can’t help themselves.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 10/18/22 at 6:49 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Not only that but ASOIAF was so much more detailed with so many characters and plotlines that many of them were changed or removed, so there was much more in the books to discuss than what was on screen. On top of that, the books were written from a POV perspective, which doesn't really lend itself to the screen either, so the story had to be told differently, which makes for interesting conversation.
Probably because there’s no need for theories or “book knowledge” speculation, which is what 90% of the book reader GoT thread was. This story is already written to its conclusion so readers straight up know the entire plot.
On the other hand, one (and maybe the only) exception to this was probably Hardhomme, which just had a brief mention in the book with essentially no details, but was turned into its own (awesome) episode. This is basically what much of the House of the Dragon is. It's taking a bunch of events condensed to parts of a book, some of them only briefly mentioned in a line or two, and turning them into entire storyline (like the War in the Stepstones). Not a lot to discuss from the books, when there is much more to discuss in an episode that greatly expands upon the books.
It's becoming clearer that GRRM wrote Fire and Blood, both with the 3rd person narrative (and unreliable ones at that) spanning hundreds of years, with at least partially the intent for it to be easier to adapt, not solely as a history "book." Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure seems like it to me.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:13 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:45 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Thought it was funny sending the only guy with an eye patch in Kings Landing on a stealth mission.
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