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re: GoT S7 E5 "Eastwatch" MAESTERS THREAD

Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:17 am to
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:17 am to
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Sansa is plotting some shite it seems, seems jealous of her siblings.


I totally don't get that vibe. She seems like she's just trying to manage things. She's eagerly awaiting Jon's return, and is keeping the grumpy guys in line (his line).
Posted by jrowla2
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:19 am to
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Just finished it. Cersei telling Jaime that she's pregnant and then starts making out with him is the second worst moment in the show's history behind Barristan being killed by a bunch of teenagers saving Grey Worm. That's a jump the shark moment that the books clearly won't do if Sir Eats Alot somehow gets them out before kicking the KFC bucket. And it means one of 2 things: A) Jaime doesn't kill Cersei or B) it adds unnecessary cruelty when Jaime actually does kill Cersei. Regardless she's a ticking clock with less than 9 months to live simply due to the prophesy in having 3 kids, although I guess she could have a miscarriage. And really, Jaime and Bronn hold their breath for a half a mile? How did Tyrion get in touch with Bronn? There's also no way in hell Cersei would knowingly let Tyrion in the Red Keep and not have him brought before her and flayed him alive or some sort of sick punishment. I was just about to fling my remote into the TV thinking LF didn't immediately burn the letter Lysa sent to Cat, but at least they didn't go through with that and it's LF being clever playing Arya against Sansa. I'm also disappointed Jorah didn't immediately notice his sword with Jon, although I'm hoping they'll get around to that in the next episode. Big step down between these episodes.



Cersie is bluffing that she knew about he meeting before hand. She wouldn't have allow him to leave. She found out after the fact and played up her knowledge.

Jorah didn't notice jons sword bc he wasn't yet wearing it at dragon stone. I'm sure they'll have a convo about it at some point.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:22 am to
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I totally don't get that vibe. She seems like she's just trying to manage things. She's eagerly awaiting Jon's return, and is keeping the grumpy guys in line (his line).



All of her siblings have become more than what they were since the last time they were all together. She sees it.

Look at how she watched her sister fight against breanne, and then her sister called her out tonight. She wants to be something too. Something more than a victim. That's a vibe I get, I may be wrong.
Posted by 19
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:32 am to
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Jorah didn't notice jons sword bc he wasn't yet wearing it at dragon stone. I'm sure they'll have a convo about it at some point.


And I think Jorah has no clue about it. I've never bought Joer's story about a Mormont blade. It wasn't a bear on the pommel, it was a dragon.

It's either Dark Sister or even Blackfyre.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:33 am to
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Cersie is bluffing that she knew about he meeting before hand. She wouldn't have allow him to leave. She found out after the fact and played up her knowledge.



That didn't cross my mind during the revelation.

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Jorah didn't notice jons sword bc he wasn't yet wearing it at dragon stone. I'm sure they'll have a convo about it at some point.



You're 100% right. A brain fart for me.
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:38 am to
Thoughts on my Beric reasoning?
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:40 am to
And Sam just moved up to #1 of his house. Wish he would have been at least told...and had paid attention when she was talking about an annulment.

Hope his kid brought that book.
Posted by LilWezyAna
BR
Member since Feb 2016
3186 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:51 am to
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Now we know he IS the legitimate son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen, and thus the rightful heir to the Iron Throne


Can someone explain this to me? If Dany is a direct descendant of the Mad King, why is Jon Snow, her nephew, more of a rightful heir? Is it just because the man, as king, outweighs the woman, as queen?

This whole Targaryen family tree screws with my brain
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:53 am to
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Is it just because the man, as king, outweighs the woman, as queen?

Yes, hence why the Targs never had a queen on the Iron Throne.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 12:54 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:54 am to
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Can someone explain this to me? If Dany is a direct descendant of the Mad King, why is Jon Snow, her nephew, more of a rightful heir? Is it just because the man, as king, outweighs the woman, as queen?



No. The first born has the right over the second born's and their descendants, and so on. Rhaegar was the rightful heir, and in the event of his death, his children are the rightful heirs over Aerys' other children.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:56 am to
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Thoughts on my Beric reasoning?



No strong feelings on it. I just think he and Thoros die. Lets just face it in that most of the Hodors don't remember either of them, but they do remember the Hound.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:58 am to
Didn't cross your mind that Cersei was bluffing to make sure Jamie stayed devoted to her?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:02 am to
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Didn't cross your mind that Cersei was bluffing to make sure Jamie stayed devoted to her?



Nope. Guess I could have been bluffed like Jaime (hopefully). Granted reading his POV chapters, it was shocking how his mind ticked like mine. It might be why I'm very attached to Jaime as a character because I directly think I wouldn't have acted like that. With Book Jaime, everything he does I do think would be my reaction.

I just identify with his mindset perfectly from the start. I'm not sure if that speaks good or ill of me as a person, but I'm in 100% agreement with his view on morality.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 1:11 am
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:04 am to
I once had a woman do this to me IRL. Lie lasted a month.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71025 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:05 am to
You know...it just occurred to me that, with the exception of Jamie and Bronn, just about every alpha male left in Westeros went north of the Wall at the end of tonight's episode.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Member since Nov 2010
84424 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:06 am to
I'm hoping it's the case. Jamie would be pissed if she manipulated him to think she was pregnant and he had done something terrible under that false truth.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38399 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:22 am to
Okay so my question is... Did the dothraki not recognize jorah da explorah? I mean... He rode with them for years.. And when he returns her guards are all "this man says he's your friend"

Or is it the whole "all white folk look the same"
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
34130 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:42 am to
I doubt we lose two but we HAVE to lose one.


My bet is Thoros/Beric. But most likely Beric.
Posted by DrunkerThanThou
Unfortunately Mississippi
Member since Feb 2013
2846 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:42 am to
The entire dothraki people came over with Danaerys. Jorah only hung around with khal Drogos group so most of them probably don't know him
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:51 am to
They made a mistake rushing the scene between Tyrion/Jaime IMO. I wanted to see more between them. It was really emotional when Tyrion said "Do you think I wanted to be born this way." Just feel like that scene could've been a lot more than it was.
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