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re: GoT S7 E2 "Stormborn" Thread: Maesters Only, Hodors GFY
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:33 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:33 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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I agree that it is Jon, but why throw that line about genderless? Is fat man pissed off that his slow writing has allowed people to dissect his books and figure out the end? Hell, unless you are a comatose khal drago, you should be able to figure out the story is about Jon not Dany just by watching the show.
Just to throw some doubt into it, some support for Dany, and to add to her being cocky. I'd do it if I were writing the series.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:14 am to OMLandshark
This is a crackpot theory, but it's possible that the translation isn't "prince OR princess that was promised," it's "prince AND princess that was promised."
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 12:21 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:40 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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I agree that it is Jon, but why throw that line about genderless? Is fat man pissed off that his slow writing has allowed people to dissect his books and figure out the end? Hell, unless you are a comatose khal drago, you should be able to figure out the story is about Jon not Dany just by watching the show.
I took it as a nod to the book folks. It's long been discussed that the translation could be gender less among readers.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:54 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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You still have Littlefinger, Euron, Jamie, Tyrion, Varys, and Jon who have a lot of influence.
Littlefinger's influence is waning and I suspect he will be a non-factor/dead body by the end of the season. Euron, while a clever cookie and skilled warrior, is still just a pawn on Cersei's chessboard to win back control of all seven kingdoms. Jamie is losing influence over his twin sister with each passing day, though he will command a severely weakened Lannister force against Dany's Dothraki and Unsullied legions.
This leaves Tyrion, Varys, and Jon. As Hand of the Queen, Tyrion is definitely one of the most powerful men in all of Westeros right now. Varys may be on Dany's small council but the influence in which he wields is limited right now to say the least. Jon Snow is King of the North and will likely be revealed to be the true heir to the Iron Throne before the end of the season.
So, of all the men still standing, Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister are the only two who wield any real power over the world of Westeros.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 12:57 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:03 am to RollTide1987
Littlefinger still controls the Eyrie and will have much more influence when Jon is out of the picture in the north.
Cersei sees Euron as a pawn, but he is completely unpredictable and Cersei can't afford to lose him so he has a lot of leverage.
Jamie like you said is going to have a big part leading the army, but you're right in saying he's losing ground on trying to control Cersei.
Cersei sees Euron as a pawn, but he is completely unpredictable and Cersei can't afford to lose him so he has a lot of leverage.
Jamie like you said is going to have a big part leading the army, but you're right in saying he's losing ground on trying to control Cersei.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:32 am to OMLandshark
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Melisandre is just wrong on Stannis being it.
Aemon Targaryen passed thinking it would be Dany.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:56 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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Littlefinger still controls the Eyrie and will have much more influence when Jon is out of the picture in the north.
Which will be inconsequential should Dany and Jon Snow forge an alliance. Plus I feel the (possible) impending arrival of both Arya and Brand will once again throw a monkey wrench into Littlefinger's plans.
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Cersei sees Euron as a pawn, but he is completely unpredictable and Cersei can't afford to lose him so he has a lot of leverage.
I think you forget that Cersei is becoming quite unpredictable herself. She's losing her grip on reality by the day and may just be as insane as the Mad King.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:30 am to dtmb
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This is a crackpot theory, but it's possible that the translation isn't "prince OR princess that was promised," it's "prince AND princess that was promised."
Well the translation that trips everyone up is about High Valyrian nouns not being gender specific, but I don't think this theory is too crackpot.
First Mel seems to believe some variation of it. Mel says "you have a part to play" when asked if she believes the prophecy refers to Danny. That seems to imply multiple people with parts to play. Second from the books Danny sees the following:
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The man had her brother's hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. "Aegon," he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. "What better name for a king?" "Will you make a song for him?" the woman asked. "He has a song," the man replied. "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire." He looked up when he said it and his eyes met Dany's, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door. "There must be one more," he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in the bed she could not say. "The dragon has three heads."
So Rhaegar seems to believe the prophecy inhabits three people.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:46 am to dtmb
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This is a crackpot theory, but it's possible that the translation isn't "prince OR princess that was promised," it's "prince AND princess that was promised."
That's not how language works. She said the translation confusion came from the word having no gender. Think "royal heir" rather than "prince or princess".
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:28 am to CorporateTiger
I think Mel was choosing her words carefully and doesn't think Dany is the one promised.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:55 am to weagle99
That's a potential, but something brought her to Dragonstone.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:13 am to weagle99
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I think Mel was choosing her words carefully and doesn't think Dany is the one promised.
Agree. I think that was her nice way of telling dany if isn't her.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:36 am to CorporateTiger
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That's a potential, but something brought her to Dragonstone.
That's easy enough to explain. She's still dedicated to the cause, despite Jon exiling her. She knows that there are massive amounts of dragonglass there that Jon desperately needs, and knows that Dany has dragons, that Jon could really use.
She's at Dragonstone because Dany has what Azor Ahai needs.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:43 am to vilma4prez
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I'm guessing they keep building him up and knocking theon down to have an epic battle.
We have already been through this with Theon with Ramsey - what is the fricking point? I hope Reek gets tortured, diced into little pieces or devoured by sharks. He is a horrible character.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:47 am to Sneaky__Sally
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We have already been through this with Theon with Ramsey - what is the fricking point? I hope Reek gets tortured, diced into little pieces or devoured by sharks. He is a horrible character.
Theon is a great character.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:48 am to vilma4prez
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Has theon ever wielded a sword successfully?
He was supposedly quite famous for his "sword" wielding, at least before Ramsey put an end to it.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:52 am to RollTide1987
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Which will be inconsequential should Dany and Jon Snow forge an alliance. Plus I feel the (possible) impending arrival of both Arya and Brand will once again throw a monkey wrench into Littlefinger's plans.
Hodor alert
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:54 am to ohiovol
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We have already been through this with Theon with Ramsey - what is the fricking point? I hope Reek gets tortured, diced into little pieces or devoured by sharks. He is a horrible character.
Theon is a great character.
Disagree, his was mentally broken by torture and continues to be broken - its just not that interesting to me. Maybe there is some redemption arc planned but he just jumped ship at that opportunity (thank you, i'll be here all week). If he keeps getting hunted and beat down by Euron as someone proposed - again we have been through all of this before. I just don't see "the point" in Theon and lost interest in him as long time ago.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:02 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Well Jaime was like Robert in that he was always a fighter and a brawler up in the front. I think it was kind of implied that people like Ned and Tywin and Randyl were great tacticians and generals. Robert never would've been able to take the Seven Kingdoms if Ned and Jon Arryn weren't the ones controlling his army.
Disagree, I forget about the books but in the show they make a point two different times of mentioning Tarly is the only commander that ever beat Robert.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:03 am to weagle99
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I think Mel was choosing her words carefully and doesn't think Dany is the one promised.
That bodes well for Dany IMO.
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