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re: GOT S6:E9 "Battle of The Bastards" - Reader Thread - NO Leak Spoilers.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:42 am to Salmon
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:42 am to Salmon
That wasn't a criticism of The 300, I like that movie. But I like it for different reasons than i like Game of Thrones.
For instance, battle of the Blackwater episode probably had to be watched more than once before a casual watcher understood everything that happened. This episode was pretty simple: bad guy has bigger army, almost wins until good guys get bigger army. It's not bad television, but it's not Game of Thrones either.
For instance, battle of the Blackwater episode probably had to be watched more than once before a casual watcher understood everything that happened. This episode was pretty simple: bad guy has bigger army, almost wins until good guys get bigger army. It's not bad television, but it's not Game of Thrones either.
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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agreed with this
it's becoming very formulaic and telegraphed
Surprise surprise, as they move further away from book material to work from, we get to see the true genius of D&D, fart jokes and cinematic cliches. They suck.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:43 am to Soul Gleaux
I think they don't get a lot of ROI on the dire wolf CGI scenes. They were able to show Summer die valiantly in a confined area, but recall how the deaths of the others were handled?
So, I believe it is unlikely we will see Nymeria again - and Ghost's role has already been downsized. I don't recall him in the episode, much less the battle. I guess it's possible that, off-screen, he has headed out to link up with Benjen and Bran - but that is a wild guess on my part.
ETA: Nymeria's role was slightly more important to the LSH story and since that's omitted (and Dondarrion is still alive, in fact) maybe they're just choosing to let it go - or greatly reduce the importance. In the books, in addition to the wolf dreams, we also get the occasional report from the Riverlands of a pack of wolves causing trouble - there has been none of that in the show - Nymeria was last seen in Season 1, Episode 2.
So, I believe it is unlikely we will see Nymeria again - and Ghost's role has already been downsized. I don't recall him in the episode, much less the battle. I guess it's possible that, off-screen, he has headed out to link up with Benjen and Bran - but that is a wild guess on my part.
ETA: Nymeria's role was slightly more important to the LSH story and since that's omitted (and Dondarrion is still alive, in fact) maybe they're just choosing to let it go - or greatly reduce the importance. In the books, in addition to the wolf dreams, we also get the occasional report from the Riverlands of a pack of wolves causing trouble - there has been none of that in the show - Nymeria was last seen in Season 1, Episode 2.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:43 am to ULSU
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Surprise surprise, as they move further away from book material to work from, we get to see the true genius of D&D, fart jokes and cinematic cliche's. They suck.
except the book did the same thing as well
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:45 am to ULSU
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Surprise surprise, as they move further away from book material to work from, we get to see the true genius of D&D, fart jokes and cinematic cliche's. They suck.
c'mon man...
GRRM backed the show into a corner with jon dying 3/4 through the story. there was literally no other way this could have gone unless they just deleted the taking of winterfell altogether. this whole season has been about re-calibrating the story to that single event
i dont think its ant coincidence that he's having trouble now finishingthe books. only the most obvious resolutions make even a lick of sense now
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:47 am to wildtigercat93
quote:I'm thinking you get bran seeing the rest of TOJ, cut to Jon in the crypts with Rickon and Sansa. They find an unopened scroll with the direwolf and the 3 headed dragon on it saying who he is. End of season
Mentioning of Ned starks crypts = R+L=J reveal next week IMO
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:48 am to Buckeye06
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Because there was no twist/shock value.
1. We knew Rickon would die, but that archery race and his eventual death? Pretty shocking and brutal.
2. I love Dany, but seeing her FINALLY leading those dragons on their purpose? Twist.
3. The fire-bombing from the slavers is the thing that releases the two smaller dragons? Twist
4. That entire long shot of Jon fighting amidst the cavalry? Pure adrenaline and shock value
5. The surround attack that resulted in a mountain of dead bodies that almost crushed Jon to death? Twist and pretty shocking
6. Jon losing all control and beating Ramsay within an inch of his life? Shocking and very unlike Jon.
7. Dany's exchange with Theon, Yara, and Tyrion? Definite twist. I don't think anybody would expect Dany to be so controlled. The back and forth was a nice change.
Just my opinion, of course, but I think there were plenty of "holy f" moments with shock value and nice twists on what we already expected.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:50 am to MardiGrasRazorback
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6. Jon losing all control and beating Ramsay within an inch of his life?
Ramsey has the strongest jaws known to man.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:50 am to Ace Midnight
When Ramsey first stated that his hounds were hungry and threatening to sick them on Snow, I was really hoping for a moment when the hounds were released and Ghost would unleash hell upon them... while Snow smirked at Ramsey..
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:56 am to MardiGrasRazorback
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1. We knew Rickon would die, but that archery race and his eventual death? Pretty shocking and brutal.
We suspected it, but since the novels have never progressed his story, we didn't know for sure. The "shocking and brutal" part was a little simplistic, but a twist. Easy to predict, once the set up was completed, though.
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2. I love Dany, but seeing her FINALLY leading those dragons on their purpose? Twist.
Really? Dany riding the dragons and wrecking shite is a twist to you?
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3. The fire-bombing from the slavers is the thing that releases the two smaller dragons? Twist
Not so much a twist but a, "Hey, we don't have this entire group of characters from the novels to release the dragons in spectacular fashion. How about have the slavers open up the pit with some siege weapons? Done and done."
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5. The surround attack that resulted in a mountain of dead bodies that almost crushed Jon to death? Twist and pretty shocking
A twist and exactly what Jon and Davos planned to do to Ramsay - a Battle of Cannae type progression.
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6. Jon losing all control and beating Ramsay within an inch of his life? Shocking and very unlike Jon.
Fair enough that Jon's brutality was shocking, as was Sansa's to a degree. We knew he was going to die, but figured it would be the Stark way - simple sword stroke or hanging. But a brutal beat down, short recovery then fed to own hounds - they didn't exceed, but they certainly equaled Ramsay on that one.
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7. Dany's exchange with Theon, Yara, and Tyrion? Definite twist.
I wouldn't categorize that as a twist - that's more in the category of, Dany receives and accepts all the help she can get - maybe a little more on her terms now that she's won a major battle, but a "definite twist"? A definite stretch is more like it.
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think there were plenty of "holy f" moments with shock value
No question the 2 battle scenes were constructed very well to achieve this purpose. Whether or not it exceeds the source material remains to be seen.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:57 am to ULSU
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Surprise surprise, as they move further away from book material to work from, we get to see the true genius of D&D, fart jokes and cinematic cliches. They suck.
And the show is still as popular as ever. Meaning that many people still love the show. Even people like you that criticize them are still going to watch so I'd say they're doing a fine job.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:57 am to Ace Midnight
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That may happen sooner rather than later, too. The Stark family reunion, part 2 is looming with Bran, Benjen and Meera presumably headed back to The Wall and Arya "going home." We're down to 1 Dire Wolf, but it's the best one.
I'm on board with that except I think Benjen stays north of the wall.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:59 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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I'm on board with that except I think Benjen stays north of the wall.
If he is directly the parallel to Coldhands in the novels, then, yes, he stays north of the wall. On the other hand, if he's linked to the 3EC (which is now Bran), then maybe he can accompany him south. Unclear at this time what magic is afoot. I hope that Jon is back at the wall - not sure if Sansa cares much about Benjen, but it would be good to see a reunion between Benjen and Jon - at least one last time.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:01 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I still can't get over the fact that the Umbers betrayed the Starks.
They kept panning on Little Umber and I thought for sure he was gonna turn and my theory would hold true that he was setting up a trap.
Pretty wild.
They kept panning on Little Umber and I thought for sure he was gonna turn and my theory would hold true that he was setting up a trap.
Pretty wild.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:06 am to Ace Midnight
Everyone just expects twist twist twist twist.
At some point, even the books have set up, for the most part, the events that are happening now.
It can't twist forever. Some events are going to happen that are predictable, but that are entertaining and exciting.
At some point, even the books have set up, for the most part, the events that are happening now.
It can't twist forever. Some events are going to happen that are predictable, but that are entertaining and exciting.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:17 am to Fun Bunch
Interesting parallel
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:19 am to Fun Bunch
Nice
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:21 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
The GOT Reddit has been delivering some good stuff lately.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:22 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Incredible episode, top 3 for me. People forget Jon has a sort of death wish anyway. He's been there, and knows this is all for nothing. At this point he's just avenging his family.
only gripe: worst use of a 20 ft tall giant in combat ever.
only gripe: worst use of a 20 ft tall giant in combat ever.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:24 am to Fun Bunch
Since LSH has been removed from the show, anyone else think Sansa takes up the revenge tour? Lady Sansa Heart.
They had a giant and still had an alive Wildling army. If the Wildlings can climb The Wall, I don't think they would have had any problem scaling the walls of Winterfell. Plus there's a decent chance that somebody on the inside would have betrayed Ramsay when being faced by a superior force.
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and if LF would have shown up before the battle, Ramsey would have just went back to the castle and then we would have had to suffer through a long siege is that what y'all wanted?
They had a giant and still had an alive Wildling army. If the Wildlings can climb The Wall, I don't think they would have had any problem scaling the walls of Winterfell. Plus there's a decent chance that somebody on the inside would have betrayed Ramsay when being faced by a superior force.
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