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re: GOT S6:E9 "Battle of The Bastards" - Reader Thread - NO Leak Spoilers.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:53 am to NIH
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:53 am to NIH
Yeah, I don't either. Do you really think they're going to go with something that complex that there's no way in hell the Hodors could follow it? They can't even follow the concept of R+L=J, nevertheless this incredibly complex theory.
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:56 am to Ace Midnight
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Just eyeballing the map, and recognizing that they would have to sail south, then east quite a bit, that is a voyage of between 2300 and 2700 leagues, depending on the route (using the reasonably accepted scale of about 1000 leagues from the Wall to Dorne). The Ironborn are great coastal sailors and at least some acumen must be assumed for deep water voyages. In the books, it was clear the crossing was treacherous (the Iron Fleet encountered a storm, the same one the held up the Volantene fleet headed for Mereen and disrupted the landings of Griff/Young Griff going the other way) - we skipped the storm and any taking of prize vessels along the way (at least these were omitted from the show). Assuming an average speed of 4 knots, that voyage could have taken 13 to 14 weeks At 6 knots (which would have been hauling arse - maximum speed of a late medieval ship was about 11 or 12 knots), they could have gotten it down to about 9 weeks.
We all knew this.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:57 am to Ace Midnight
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He didn't do a very good job at Winterfell, but there are some emotional excuses. He did better in other situations, particularly at The Wall and Hardhome. He is also an inspirational leader, which counts for a lot in that kind of warfare.
I agree. Jon fell into Ramsay's trap (as Sansa warned) but the odds were stacked against him anyway. But Castle Black and Hardhomme show he's a pretty amazing leader. Oh, and his ground-n-pound is Jon Jones-level nasty.
As far as the other Northern houses who allied with Ramsay, it was really just the Karstarks & Umbers, right? Their motives were clear enough - Karstarks will never follow the Starks again after Robb's actions, and Smalljon gave an "I'm in it to win it unlike my dad" rationale whenever he handed Rickon over to Ramsay. One of the themes of this season was a passing of the torch from one generation to the next, and the younger Karstark & Umber wanted to go in a different direction from their fathers. Unfortunately for them, their houses are now in ruin.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:57 am to LucasP
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:00 am to NIH
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don't know what why there's so much obsession with the "GNC".
It's really the reader audience just hoping for some kind of complexity to the story. In a series that has given up on political intrigue and characters scheming for Michael Bay style theatrics, we all want it to get back to the first four seasons. It's a pipedream but a lot people are hoping that something cool is going on.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:02 am to Salmon
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Who were the Orange and Black looking banners
It looked like the wildlings made a crow banner, I guess to show they were following "King Crow". I thought that was pretty cool, actually.
Other thoughts:
I'm wondering if Jon ultimately finds out that he is a Targ and decides, instead, to take the Stark name.
We could get the RW part 2 next week, but Jaime is there. I guess he could escape like the Blackfish.
Gendry will pull up to Braavos in his rowboat next week just in time to row Arya back to Westeros.
If Lord Manderly is at the Twins for the RW2 and he slaughters some Freys, that would make up for him not being at Winterfell. In fact, if we got "the North Remembers" in that context, it would still be pretty awesome.
This may be more book than show, but we've now seen that Dany is damn near invincible with the dragons and probably the best army in the world, so what aside from the others could challenge her? I say being at sea where her army is useless against a superior navy (Euron) who also has a dragon horn that could take her dragons out of the equation. Could set up a naval battle between Euron and Victarion (book) Yara/Theon (show)
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:03 am to LucasP
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It's really the reader audience just hoping for some kind of complexity to the story. In a series that has given up on political intrigue and characters scheming for Michael Bay style theatrics, we all want it to get back to the first four seasons. It's a pipedream but a lot people are hoping that something cool is going on.
agreed with this
it's becoming very formulaic and telegraphed
i mean did anyone expect the mereen or winterfell battles to end very differently?
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:05 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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With the preview of the Frey/Lannister feast, anybody think by the start of next season that they'll be riding north to take on the Starks at Winterfell?
I think that may be their plan. In the preview there was the "The Lannisters and the Freys send their regards" thing. Will it happen? Who knows. I'd like a Red Wedding reprise.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
well Mereen had to end that way or else I would have been pissed and it would have made no sense
as for Winterfell, yeah the unknown army coming in at the last moment to save the day thing is tired and already been done on the show multiple times, but everything else was so superbly done that I can overlook it
JMO
as for Winterfell, yeah the unknown army coming in at the last moment to save the day thing is tired and already been done on the show multiple times, but everything else was so superbly done that I can overlook it
JMO
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:07 am to ffishstik
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:08 am to Salmon
and if LF would have shown up before the battle, Ramsey would have just went back to the castle and then we would have had to suffer through a long siege
is that what y'all wanted?
is that what y'all wanted?
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:09 am to ffishstik
orange and black banner was House Hornwood.
Ramsay starved a Hornwood in a tower and she ate her fingers.
Ramsay starved a Hornwood in a tower and she ate her fingers.
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:10 am to MardiGrasRazorback
Will the last episode have time to do all the things we are hoping for?
RW2
TOJ
KL burning
WR
RW
DACOAB
RW2
TOJ
KL burning
WR
RW
DACOAB
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:11 am to Salmon
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as for Winterfell, yeah the unknown army coming in at the last moment to save the day thing is tired and already been done on the show multiple times,
it was pretty much done in Mereen wehn the Dothraki uncloaked and hit the masters' land troops
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:13 am to Salmon
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and if LF would have shown up before the battle, Ramsey would have just went back to the castle and then we would have had to suffer through a long siege
is that what y'all wanted?
So little finger and his giant army just hung out unnoticed by scouts or small folks for (God knows how long because they gave up on chronology two seasons ago) some time?
This is the kind of thing I could have overlooked two years ago, but now these small things are piling up like a bunch of magical dead bodies and becoming harder to accept.
I'll quit being negative, sorry for the bad vibes....
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:13 am to PatDyesPants
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RW2
TOJ
KL burning
WR
RW
DACOAB
WTF
AAOOC (Acronyms are out of control)
DBLATTSO (Don't be lazy and type that shite out)
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:14 am to iluvdatiger
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shot well and it was great, but I was waiting for a "holy f" moment and never got it
They gave us exactly what we wanted! How can you not be satisfied??
Thank you, iluv! Why does every damn thing have to be unpredictable or have a twist??? Sometimes predictable is the best possible solution, as this episode demonstrates.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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it was pretty much done in Mereen wehn the Dothraki uncloaked and hit the masters' land troops
The show is losing a little bit of its soul in trying to make thing so starkly black and white - the soldiers just butchering women and children outside the walls when Daario et co ride up - that was almost laughable. I mean, they should have put a mustache and black hat on Ramsay, and then before you let the Dothraki do their thing, you HAVE to establish their opponents as irredeemably evil - not their leaders, but every single soldier.
Kind of sad. Overall, this episode was great, but it is the little fraying around the edges of the show that is discouraging.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:15 am to LucasP
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So little finger and his giant army just hung out unnoticed by scouts or small folks for (God knows how long because they gave up on chronology two seasons ago) some time?
right I know it isn't very plausible, this is a legit criticism
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I'll quit being negative, sorry for the bad vibes....
nah the LF thing is a legit criticism
I'm just choosing to overlook it for the sake of the episode and the story, as like I said, if he played out more realistic, we would have had to suffer through a season long siege
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:19 am to Salmon
It's not that big of a deal. I'd rather them teleport then wait 3 episodes for them to get there and get the same effect. Show could have wrote that Sansa sent that letter some time ago and it would have been fine. This is adapted for TV not an infinite time book.
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