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re: GoT S6: E10 "The Winds of Winter" BOOK READERS

Posted on 6/27/16 at 9:59 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 9:59 am to
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Im not the one that comes in every episode goig OMG THAT WAS THE WORST EPSIODE IVE EVER SEEN (looking at you salmon), i just have some critiques about it.


or literally just one episode

Posted by jefforize
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:00 am to
high sparrow being VAPORIZED

This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 10:05 am
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:02 am to
I actually think A+L =J potentially makes for a better story. You can open up so many plot possibilities with that move.

Jon potentially becomes SOTM and Dawn = Lightbringer. All the plot holes with Arthur being at the ToJ and super honorable Rhaegar's (in this case non existent) infidelity all makes sense then.
Posted by vilma4prez
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:02 am to
thats cool... I didn't catch that.


I think Jaime Kills Cersei ... but someone that is a stark needs to push Jaime out of a window claiming "the things we do for love" .... you know, full circle and stuff...
Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:03 am to
One thing that really bothers me is that NO ONE is mentioning Bran.

Not Jon
Not Sansa
Not every fricking northman who believed that Theon killed Rickon and Bran only to realize it was false when they saw Rickon alive.

He is the last true born son of Eddard Stark and the true born lord of Winterfell. Why the frick has no one said anything?
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Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:03 am to
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it just kind of gets lost in the shuffle
Does it? There was a ton in this episode. Lots of big events. It was probably the biggest and done just fine IMO.
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I felt they spent too much on some minor plots and not enough on a few of the major plots

It's one thing to just say that and another to actually explain your point. What else would you have wanted to see with the King in the North? TOJ? Cersei's crowning? Why was the library scene too long? He couldn't just walk right on in. The first part was to see the white ravens. The second was to show that the Citadel was behind the times. And then a little lead up to this huge library and the wide shot. Nothing felt wasted. Again, I can see your point that this could have taken place in a different episode. Winter could have come 4 weeks ago. But it didn't. And that scene played its part (the ravens).
Posted by Midget Death Squad
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:07 am to
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I don't think Howland was in the room but he's going to know something is up when Ned walks out with a baby and tells him his sister is dead.

I'm just thinking that when Jon needs to be officially legitimized or Dany needs to be convinced that he is her niece people will want more proof than Bran's visions.



Fair points. I agree HR will know what's up with the baby. I'm only saying that Bran saw first hand what happened. But yes, Bran's visions would most likely be met with skepticism.

As for legitimizing Jon, at this point it's not required. The north all declared their swords to him. In the book there was a very important yet short scene that set this up. Rob had all his bannermen sign a decree that legitimized Jon as a Stark and declare him as the heir to the north if Rob were to die.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:08 am to
everyone thinks he is dead. Jon knows he is north of the Wall though.

Which to Jon means at this point he is likely dead.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:09 am to
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Exactly, dude needs to chill the frick out before he gets hurt. He never wanted Winterfell.


I disagree with that. Winterfell is probably the castle he wants the most, simply as a frick you to the Starks.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:09 am to
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Not if a bastard can lay claim - with Robert or any of the false children, Cersei doesn't have much of a hereditary claim - certainly not one she can pass down. What claim to the Lannisters have? I would assume those with Baratheon blood would have better claims as cousins or whatever than Robert's widow.

Yeah, no. Cersei is now on the throne, that is a fact. Since she has no children, her oldest sibling is the heir (Jaime), then it would be Tyrion (interestingly).

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She's queen right now because no one can stop here.

Just like Robert Baratheon was King. He took it by force.

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Most folks will flock to Dany's banner, particularly outside of Lannister loyalists pretty quickly once she lands.

Perhaps. However, Dany may come off as an invading foreign army... You know with the Dothraki Army and the Unsullied. The Iron Islanders don't exactly attract local support either given their history.

It will be a cluster frick for sure.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:10 am to
Anybody else think Wyman Manderly looked a lot like Rob Ryan?
Posted by craigbiggio
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:11 am to
I don't think Jaime can be considered the official heir while he is still part of the Kinsguard.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:11 am to
Its really not that big a deal, its just how i felt about the episode.



Any thoughts in where Euron comes into play with all this? poor guy is building all these ships, destroying ecosystems and shite and danys already on her fleet.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:11 am to
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As for legitimizing Jon, at this point it's not required. The north all declared their swords to him. In the book there was a very important yet short scene that set this up. Rob had all his bannermen sign a decree that legitimized Jon as a Stark and declare him as the heir to the north if Rob were to die.



But that decree was lost with Lady Mormont's mother.

Also if bran just shows up, Winterfell is his, he is a natural born son.
Had I made one change to that scene it would have been Howland Reed in that room when they all declared for the king, and Reed declaring that he is the heir to the Iron Throne and that is why he swears to him.

With no Baratheon's left, HR could assume it's safe to tell the truth about Jon.

Now would the north follow a Targ/Stark?
Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:11 am to
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everyone thinks he is dead. Jon knows he is north of the Wall though.


Nope Sansa knows he's alive. So does every person who thinks he and Rickon died together only to discover Rickon didn't actually die.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:11 am to
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I actually think A+L =J potentially makes for a better story. You can open up so many plot possibilities with that move.



No, this is not a better story. The Rhaegar-Lyanna-Robert story is perfect and needs no revisions.


Plus there is no way it is AD's son. The King's guard was there guarding that tower, and they are only allowed to guard the King. That means the only reason they are there is that the baby is Rhaegar's son.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:11 am to
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while he is still part of the Kinsguard.


He is no longer a part of the kings guard.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:12 am to
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One thing that really bothers me is that NO ONE is mentioning Bran.




It bothers you that the crippled brother no one has seen in 6 seasons isn't brought up?


Just because Rickon was alive doesn't mean the crippled lost brother should be assumed alive.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:12 am to
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Also if bran just shows up, Winterfell is his, he is a natural born son.

Doesn't really matter. Sansa is, for all they know, the true heir to Winterfell and they don't care about her claim. Rules are only as good as they are enforced.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116181 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:13 am to
gonna repost it cz it was buried



Any thoughts in where Euron comes into play with all this? poor guy is building all these ships, destroying ecosystems and shite and danys already on her fleet.
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