re: GoT S4:E9 "The Watchers On The Wall" BOOK MAESTERS Thread SPOILERS

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they have done a poor job with Bran so far IMO

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so hard to make that shite interesting for TV audience.

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Will they reveal in next week's episode what many think is a plausible theory, that Oberyn somehow poisoned Tywin also and that's how Tyrion found him on the privy with stomach pain? Also, in the books Tywin deteriorates very fast and stinks up the place. Could be because of the "poison" or the infection that Oberyn may have caused.

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I've heard a theory like this before and always been a fan of it

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I've heard a theory like this before and always been a fan of it

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It would be a nice nod to the book readers and also pay homage to a well-loved character.

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but I don't remember anything in the books even hinting at this.

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Remember though that we only saw the events through Tyrion's eyes in the books, amirite? and he wouldn't have been able to see any of this stuff happen. However, we have a few chapters worth of Jaime standing watch in the Great Sept and all the descriptions of the horrible smells coming from Tywin's rapidly deteriorating body.

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but I don't remember anything in the books even hinting at this.

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Tywin Lannister: Dead Man Shitting?

“Where will I find my lord father?”
“In the solar with Lord Tyrell and Prince Oberyn.”
Mace Tyrell and the Red Viper breaking bread together? Strange and stranger.
—Jaime and Ser Meryn Trant, upon Jaime’s return to King’s Landing

“Widow’s blood, this one is called, for the color. A cruel potion. It shuts down a man’s bladder and bowels, until he drowns in his own poisons.”
—Grand Maester Pycelle, during Tyrion’s trial

“To be sure, I have much to thank your sister for. If not for her accusation at the feast, it might well be you judging me instead of me judging you.” The prince’s eyes were dark with amusement. “Who knows more of poison than the Red Viper of Dorne, after all?”
[…]
“Your father,” said Prince Oberyn, “may not live forever.”
Something about the way he said it made the hairs on the back of Tyrion’s neck bristle. Suddenly he was mindful of Elia again, and all that Oberyn had said as they crossed the field of ashes. He wants the head that spoke the words, not just the hand that swung the sword. “It is not wise to speak such treasons in the Red Keep, my prince. The little birds are listening.”
“Let them. Is it treason to say a man is mortal? Valar morghulis was how they said it in Valyria of old. All men must die. And the Doom came and proved it true.”
—Prince Oberyn Martell and Tyrion, in Tyrion’s cell

He found his father where he knew he’d find him, seated in the dimness of the privy tower, bedrobe hiked up around his hips.
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For once, his father did what Tyrion asked him. The proof was the sudden stench, as his bowels loosened in the moment of death. Well, he was in the right place for it, Tyrion thought. But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie.
Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shite gold.
—from Tyrion’s assassination of Tywin during his escape from the black cells

The King’s Hand was rotting visibly. His face had taken on a greenish tinge, and his eyes were deeply sunken, two black pits. Fissures had opened in his cheeks, and a foul white fluid was seeping through the joints of his splendid gold-and-crimson armor to pool beneath his body.
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Red-eyed and pale, Cersei climbed the steps to kneel above their father, drawing Tommen down beside her. The boy recoiled at the sight, but his mother seized his wrist before he could pull away.“Pray,” she whispered, and Tommen tried. But he was only eight and Lord Tywin was a horror. One desperate breath of air, then the king began to sob.“Stop that!” Cersei said. Tommen turned his head and doubled over, retching. His crown fell off and rolled across the marble floor. His mother pulled back in disgust, and all at once the king was running for the doors, as fast as his eight-year-old legs could carry him.
“Ser Osmund, relieve me,” Jaime said sharply, as Kettleblack turned to chase the crown. He handed the man the golden sword and went after his king. In the Hall of Lamps he caught him, beneath the eyes of two dozen startled septas. “I’m sorry,” Tommen wept. “I will do better on the morrow. Mother says a king must show the way, but the smell made me sick.”
This will not do. Too many eager ears and watching eyes.“Best we go outside, Your Grace.” Jaime led the boy out to where the air was as fresh and clean as King’s Landing ever got. Twoscore gold cloaks had been posted around the plaza to guard the horses and the litters. He took the king off to the side, well away from everyone, and sat him down upon the marble steps. “I wasn’t scared,” the boy insisted. “The smell made me sick. Didn’t it make you sick? How could you bear it, Uncle, ser?”
—Jaime, Cersei, and Tommen, during Tywin’s funeral.
I’m just saying: means, motive, opportunity.

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However, we have a few chapters worth of Jaime standing watch in the Great Sept and all the descriptions of the horrible smells coming from Tywin's rapidly deteriorating body.

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totally forgot about that. Oberyn poisoning him might clean up the problem with Tyrion being a kinslayer if Tywin was already a dead man, though I have my own crackpotty theory on that issue.

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then released and sentenced to kill Mance.

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While they hadn't really developed the backstory to have him imprisoned, they could have easily had an incapacitated Thorne give him orders to go kill Mance with the same, you are successful and live, I win, you fail and die, I win attitude.

I agree. Slynt just seems like a doofus and not a complete dickhead like the books

That scene with Slynt hiding where Gilly was...he's such a cowardly a-hole. Setting up the "Edd fetch a block" moment perfectly for S5.

Also, anyone else like Tormund talking about the She-Bear story last night?

Yes watching Slynt die will be nice. Tormund as the last man standing was good too.