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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:36 am to Titus Pullo
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:36 am to Titus Pullo
Whoever wins the North (Boltons/Stannis) would still have to pass the Twins before they could get close to King's Landing, neither would presently have the strength to do so.
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:38 am to TigerintheNO
I just want someone, anyone, to kill the Freys.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:39 am to Titus Pullo
Could be wrong but it seems like Cersei's attitude toward Dorne is caused by the fact that they are the biggest potential threat and also have a history of not being truly subjugated to the Iron Throne and more independent.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:42 am to Sid in Lakeshore
I'm not trying to be or never said I was. Just tryin to keep this thread from being as much of a shitfest as the other two threads
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:44 am to Titus Pullo
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I wouldn't say that Dorne is the biggest Lannister enemy. She has two just two the north in and near Winterfell.
The Lannister name goes further than Cercei. The Martells HATE the lannisters ever since Roberts rebellion, probably close to as much as the Starks do (you can argue that they don't really count at this point)
And there is a difference between a family enemy and a threat to the throne
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:45 am to USMCTiger03
quote:Cersei's attitude towards Dorne is based on the fact that her daughter is there and a threat has been made against her.
Could be wrong but it seems like Cersei's attitude toward Dorne is caused by the fact that they are the biggest potential threat and also have a history of not being truly subjugated to the Iron Throne and more independent.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:48 am to King George
Also the whole Oberyn-Tywin theory is fair game in here right? Since they're both dead?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:50 am to USMCTiger03
Cersei probably also wants to secure the oil reserves and poppy fields they have. Which is why she supposedly fabricated the evidence that Dorne has WMDs buried under the sand.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:59 am to Titus Pullo
Never mind that Dorne has previously used such weapons on its own people. 
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:03 pm to King George
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Cersei's attitude towards Dorne is based on the fact that her daughter is there and a threat has been made against her.
I thought the attitude pre-dated the threat or her daughter being there.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:10 pm to USMCTiger03
Keep in mind that a member of the ruling Dornish family just let it be publically known that they view the Lannisters as being responsible for the rape & death of Elia Martell and her children.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:10 pm to USMCTiger03
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Could be wrong but it seems like Cersei's attitude toward Dorne is caused by the fact that they are the biggest potential threat and also have a history of not being truly subjugated to the Iron Throne and more independent.
A maester can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe, and cersei doesn't know this, Doran admits in the books that Dorne isn't the strength it is made out to be. A lot of Dorne hype was fabricated generations earlier by a Targ and the Martell's just never saw reason to correct it.
I think..
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:44 pm to UMRealist
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UMRealist
Yes, they aren't big enough to be a threat to the crown, loosely based on the Roman version of Hannibal.
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Also the whole Oberyn-Tywin theory is fair game in here right? Since they're both dead?
I believe it already has in this thread.
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I thought the attitude pre-dated the threat or her daughter being there.
"I have worked at the downfall of Tywin Lannister since the day they told me of Elia and her children" Prince Doran
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 1:28 pm to TigerintheNO
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"I have worked at the downfall of Tywin Lannister since the day they told me of Elia and her children" Prince Doran
Well, I always thought more of his capabilities than this quote suggests. Tywin was doing quite well for himself, up until Tyrion shot him. Maybe Doran used mind control to make Tyrion do that...
Posted on 6/10/15 at 1:33 pm to USMCTiger03
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quote:
Cersei's attitude towards Dorne is based on the fact that her daughter is there and a threat has been made against her.
I thought the attitude pre-dated the threat or her daughter being there.
Tyrion sent Marcella out there in the second season, I dont recall much from Cersei about Dorne before that. People from KL look down on people from Dorne in general because they don't really follow the same morals and such as the people from KL.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 1:43 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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. Tywin was doing quite well for himself, up until Tyrion shot him. Maybe Doran used mind control to make Tyrion do that
or maybe he used his brother to do the deed
"Doran plays to win, whether at cyvasse or the game of thrones" GRRM
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 1:53 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Well, I always thought more of his capabilities than this quote suggests. Tywin was doing quite well for himself, up until Tyrion shot him. Maybe Doran used mind control to make Tyrion do that...
As previously mentioned, it's very widely believed that Oberyn had poisoned Tywin Lannister upon his arrival in KL
The poison basically constipated you to death, and it explains why Tywin was on the shitter for so long when Tyrion shot him
Doran wants revenge, not war. This is how they do business
Posted on 6/10/15 at 1:55 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Well, I always thought more of his capabilities than this quote suggests. Tywin was doing quite well for himself, up until Tyrion shot him. Maybe Doran used mind control to make Tyrion do that...
As previously mentioned, it's very widely believed that Oberyn had poisoned Tywin Lannister upon his arrival in KL
The poison basically constipated you to death, and it explains why Tywin was on the shitter for so long when Tyrion shot him
Doran wants revenge, not war. This is how they do business
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:03 pm to wildtigercat93
"Widow’s blood, this one is called, for the color. A cruel potion. It shuts down a man’s bladder and bowels, until he drowns in his own poisons.”
—Grand Maester Pycelle, during Tyrion’s trial
—Grand Maester Pycelle, during Tyrion’s trial
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:06 pm to wildtigercat93
When would Oberyn have done this or is this strictly from the book.
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