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re: Game of Thrones S8 E3 "The Long Night." Official Thread
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:08 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:08 am to TigerinATL
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Pretty much every complaint the last 2 seasons seems to be about things not being properly fleshed out. We know for a fact that budget limits the story telling, they talked about that when discussing the zombie polar bear. We also know that episodes with dragons and epic battles are expensive. I think the reason we have shortened seasons 7 and 8 is the budget. Expand those to full seasons and I wonder if we have the same problem of super sonic dragons and Arya "coming out of nowhere".
i think they had some plot direction that hurt, but yes the inability to manage a budget seems to be the biggest issue
and that polar bear will always be a symbol. that fricker cost like 1/3 of an episode or some shite, but they wanted a zombie polar bear...in the middle of a pointless plot...that didn't really do much except fulfill their wishes
there is now a prophecy that if SFP ever dies, he will be reborn as a television and movie critic of the name "zombie polar bear", forever to use this symbol of failure as motivation for literary perfection
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:10 am to Salmon
I thought that was one of the best executed scenes I have seen in some time. The vantage point of Dany and Jon above as the horde charged ahead followed by the army's impending dread and futility as the torches winked out of existence was an epic moment.
Kudos to the writers on that scene....absolutely terrific!
Kudos to the writers on that scene....absolutely terrific!
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:10 am to AUTimbo
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All this in the space of 5 seconds or so....talk about one helluva rollercoaster ride.
From start to finish, the whole episode was nerve racking.
Also, I never once had a problem seeing what was going on. I watched it with all the lights off. Its like a black and white movie, if you're not watching it with the lights off, then you're doing it wrong.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:11 am to MF Doom
Dragonglass killed the wight at the Dragon Pit.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:12 am to weagle99
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This show has reached Walking Dead levels of absurdity with regards to main characters surviving hopeless situations.
People are brought back from the dead in this show multiple times over 8 seasons, yet now we're bitching about the realism?
I've said it in every thread - it's become hip to hate on GoT. Why even watch if it irritates so many of you so much?
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 8:12 am
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:13 am to udtiger
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Admittedly, there was some plot armor, but a fair number of long running characters died in this episode.
Early on you lose the guy from the Watch. But after that?
Beric is a character who’s been looking for his final death since he reappeared.
Theon is also a character who has been searching for death for several seasons. It was the only way he could redeem himself.
And Melisandre told us that she would die. And kills herself.
Jorah is the one I would concede, but he also lives to serve Dani. And so his death feels character driven.
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Greyworm, and the defenders in courtyard should have died. If only because of how they staged that sequence.
And I don’t know if anyone should have made it out of the crypt.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:14 am to AUTimbo
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I thought that was one of the best executed scenes I have seen in some time. The vantage point of Dany and Jon above as the horde charged ahead followed by the army's improvement impending dread and futility as the torches winked out of existence was an epic moment.
Kudos to the writers on that scene....absolutely terrific!
All of this.
For all the haters, please reference us to the defensive use of cavalry in the history of warfare? Cavalry fricking CHARGE. It's what they do. Now, would it have strategically been more effective if they had waited and hit their flanks? Possibly. However, the battle wasn't one that was going to be won conventionally. At many points in the battle, I really thought that the NK was going to bring it home.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:15 am to Lima Whiskey
The only characters that I thought were for sure dead that didn't die were Brienne and Greyworm.
Both foreshadowed their deaths pretty heavily last episode.
Especially Greyworm with his "we're going to sail away and live happily ever after line"
Both foreshadowed their deaths pretty heavily last episode.
Especially Greyworm with his "we're going to sail away and live happily ever after line"
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:16 am to Salmon
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Both foreshadowed their deaths pretty heavily last episode.
all the defenses of episode 2 basically became worthless last night
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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tying them to Bran makes no sense b/c they were marching south beyond where the 3ER lived to start the show
The Night King didn't know where the three eyed raven was until Bran misused his powers and let himself get marked.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:17 am to Salmon
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Right. It obviously failed. But this is what the Dothraki were known for. Nobody knew what they were about to face.
What? Lots of them knew what they were about to face, as they faced them at Hardhomme. And more importantly, the ones in charge knew what they were facing (Jon, Davos, Tomund, Tyrion, Jaime, etc.).
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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all the defenses of episode 2 basically became worthless last night
What? No they didn't.
Just because they all didn't die doesn't mean that they didn't believe they were going to die.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:18 am to CocomoLSU
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What? Lots of them knew what they were about to face, as they faced them at Hardhomme. And more importantly, the ones in charge knew what they were facing (Jon, Davos, Tomund, Tyrion, Jaime, etc.).
None of them had ever faced them in straight up battle.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:18 am to theunknownknight
I think something is being missed with the whole asoiaf/ NK/ politics debate going on. The story, both books and show, have been about following the Stark family and the characters around them.
To me, it seems the story is tracking on their family who has everything taken from them, coming back together and realizing this greater purpose in their world.
Much like Bran the builder rebuilt the north, the Starks are going to have a large part in rebuilding Westeros.
Each has a role and it seems to be coming together.
And maybe when taking the family motto not in the context of a warning, but rather a rally cry...then maybe what just happened and what will be happening becomes much easier to digest.
Especially when gathering houses.
This also going to amp up the tension with Dany and her dragons...
To me, it seems the story is tracking on their family who has everything taken from them, coming back together and realizing this greater purpose in their world.
Much like Bran the builder rebuilt the north, the Starks are going to have a large part in rebuilding Westeros.
Each has a role and it seems to be coming together.
And maybe when taking the family motto not in the context of a warning, but rather a rally cry...then maybe what just happened and what will be happening becomes much easier to digest.
Especially when gathering houses.
This also going to amp up the tension with Dany and her dragons...
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:20 am to theunknownknight
I would like to know what result would’ve made people happy. Front the comments in the thread,
1. Everyone dies except Jon, Jaime, Bran, and maybe a few others.
2. Night King is in battle wrecking shite Sauron style.
3. Dead Starks defend the living in the crypts.
4. Ghost dies attacking Viserion allowing Jon to attack the NK.
5. Just as the NK is about to kill Jon, Jaime kills the NK. Some comment about Kingslayer ensues.
Did I miss anything?
1. Everyone dies except Jon, Jaime, Bran, and maybe a few others.
2. Night King is in battle wrecking shite Sauron style.
3. Dead Starks defend the living in the crypts.
4. Ghost dies attacking Viserion allowing Jon to attack the NK.
5. Just as the NK is about to kill Jon, Jaime kills the NK. Some comment about Kingslayer ensues.
Did I miss anything?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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now it's just your standard fantasy schlock that you can buy at airports, so the real fans of the early seasons will be upset at the shift
And there it is folks. This is what the bitching always comes down to. The "real" fans.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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while i couldn't see b/c the DP/director were terrible, i did assume it was a suicide pact
If you couldn't see their scene, fix your TV bro.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:22 am to AUTimbo
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For those bitching about Arya it's not like they didn't play the audience's emotions terrifically in that scene.
She's flies in out of nowhere and your like "Don't know how, but YES!".
Then NK spins and catches her midair and your like " Oh chit".
Then dagger drops and your like "She's f'd....NK gonna win this whole shebang".
Then she used her training, catches the dagger and stabs him between two plates of shielding/armor and your back to " YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!."
All this in the space of 5 seconds or so....talk about one helluva rollercoaster ride.
agreed. was awesome tv.
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Right. It obviously failed. But this is what the Dothraki were known for. Nobody knew what they were about to face.
i'm on the fence with yalls recent Dothraki charge argument. To SFP and Coco's point, that was an ignorant battle tactic to blindly send your cavalry against a hoard that massively outnumbers them.
but to Salmon's point. it's fiction and made for fantastic scene with the build up of the swords being lit by the Red Queen and then one by one going out when they meet the dead on the battlefield.
pretty cool way for the Dothraki to go out IMO, despite it being technically a really bad tactical move on our Hero's part.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:23 am to Lima Whiskey
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And Melisandre told us that she would die. And kills herself.
That was weird too. Felt awfully weird for her to kill herself after they won. I guess you can chalk it up to "my purpose has been served," but outside of lighting some shite on fire she really served no purpose whatsoever (unless you count the Arya pep talk).
It would have been more fitting for Davos to pop her once the battle was over to get some Shireen revenge. But instead she just walks into the snow, takes off her necklace, and keels over. I guess she was old and on the verge of death anyway? And it makes me wonder about Varys now since she predicted his death as well, but he is still alive and kicking.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:24 am to slackster
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And there it is folks. This is what the bitching always comes down to. The "real" fans.
i was trying to be nice and not call you a Hodor
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