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re: Game of Thrones S8 E3 "The Long Night." Official Thread

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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:10 am to
There is no more rational conflict v. Cersei

They have dragons
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:11 am to
One of the greatest episodes of all time. How fricking delusional or ignorant of television history do you have to be to say this?
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:11 am to
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Wait

To defend that episode people are now downplaying the WW?




We're pointing out the absurdity of people claiming the WW were the main plot all series.
Posted by Dizz
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:12 am to
Wouldn’t you prefer main characters get killed towards the end in an all out battle against Cersei. It would have felt cheap for Jamie or the Hound to get killed by a bunch of wights. It makes for better story you know the bloodshed is coming at some point.
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:12 am to
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To defend that episode people are now downplaying the WW


Yes, the conflict that opened the entire show and consumed the majority of s7 is a sideshow
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:12 am to
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One of the greatest episodes of all time. How fricking delusional or ignorant of television history do you have to be to say this?



Let people have their overreactions. Just like you will find a way to bitch about every episode, others will overhyped an episode.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:13 am to
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We're pointing out the absurdity of people claiming the WW were the main plot all series.



There was more political intrigue but they (the WW) we're always the primary big bad.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:13 am to
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the WW were the main plot all series.

They were to John, Bran, ETC

This whole forcing of everyone together then made it all of their focus, too

I hated that but it is what it is
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:13 am to
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To defend that episode people are now downplaying the WW?


The claim was that they are THE central plot of the entire series...despite having less than an hour of total screen time devoted to them in the first 67 episodes.

It’s a demonstrably false claim
Posted by LSUTigerBait07
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:13 am to
Obviously there will be more deaths to come. I can even see why grey worm survived, but there is no reason brienne should still be alive.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:14 am to
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Those who survived for the most part knew how to fight and ended 1-on-1's quick, and got to high ground or got a wall behind their backs. They would have eventually tired and fell.



Problem is the show panned to them multiple times being damn near completely overrun. Then conveniently cut away and they were fine again.
Posted by red_giraffe
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:14 am to
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The WW storyline consisted of nothing more than 1-2 teaser moments per year or the first 4 seasons. The first episode in which that storyline is a headliner comes near the end of season 5. Before Hardhome, the WWs are a menacing side plot at best. In the first 7 seasons, the white walkers and the wights have a grand total of 48 minutes of screen time. 48 minutes in 7 fricking seasons, more than half that being the battle at Hardhome and the episode Hodor dies. For reference, two characters who died tonight have INDIVIDUALLY had more screen time than the entire WW plot line has been given.


Count screen time to me all that you want, but the series has clearly been building towards that. You're lying to yourself if you say otherwise.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:15 am to
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Yes, the conflict that opened the entire show and consumed the majority of s7 is a sideshow


It was a side show until Season 7. How can you really debate that?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:15 am to
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despite having less than an hour of total screen time devoted to them in the first 67 episodes.


John's entire arc was based around them. Bran too.

Posted by bee Rye
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:15 am to
Anyone who has mentioned deus ex machine or how this would have never happened in the books are fricking losers, straight up
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 12:16 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:15 am to
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Just like you will find a way to bitch about every episode, others will overhyped an episode.


I liked the last one. People think I’m negative Nancy on everything, but I just have consistent expectations.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:15 am to
Yeah I could have sworn Brienne was about to die a couple of times and then she was fine. I didn’t like it.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:16 am to
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No one from the knighting scene dies.


Did anybody ever think that's because they are literally the best fighters in the entire army? Better planning. Better fighting skills. Better forsite to retreat and get better position. Better at having a cool head.

Most of them were behind the line and giving command. First shot at retreat.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:16 am to
Yep and Jon was practically neutered throughout the whole episode.
Posted by red_giraffe
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:16 am to
Also, would you like to count Thanos screentime in ALL of the MCU films and still make the same argument?
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 12:20 am
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