re: Game of Thrones S7 E6 "Beyond The Wall" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS

I want Bronn sitting on the iron throne, and he doesn't have a queen. He has an epic harem. Davos is given his own kingdom and after doing Bronn, to make it up to Davos, he makes both red woman team up to bring his son and shireen back.

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The path for Queen Cersei and King Littlefinger at the end of the show is still possible. I have hope.

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Would be so awesome.

I'd be happy to have the Lannisters in the South and the Starks in the north.

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Just rewatching the Lion and the Rose, Bran's vision is of the throne room covered in snow and a shadow of a dragon flying over King's Landing.

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Was it snow or ash in the vision?

Just watched season 2 finale and Dany was in the magic room with the prophecy of the iron throne in ashes and burnt to ruins. Interesting..

Could be ash or snow, you can see part of the roof torn off.

Impressive.. that's some serious pesos.

craziest thing to me is the people that can visualize everything and envision how it will work out.

I just posted this in the Hodor thread but I think it may be a useful post here too.

Here's part of a post someone made on another board 4 years using actual carrier pigeon speed to give an idea about raven speed. It was pointed out that IRL Ravens actually fly about half as fast as pigeons, but most felt Westerosi Ravens are as fast or faster than pigeons since Maester Aemon pointed they are the chosen messenger bird because they are a stronger flyer.

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So, how fast are homing pigeons? Well, here are a few extracts from various online sources.

… Flights as long as 1,100 miles have been recorded by birds in competitive pigeon racing. Their average flying speed over moderate distances (about 500 miles) is around 50 mph, but speeds of up to 58.7 mph have been observed in top racers for short distances (99 miles). …

… In Great Britain distances of over 723 miles have been flown on the day, by pigeons flying home from Nantes in western France to Fraserburgh in Scotland. Released at 0600 hrs in the morning the birds have been timed in their lofts before 10.00 at night.

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If you compare Fraserburgh Scotland's location on Britain, it's actually in a very similar location as Eastwatch is on Westeros. Dragonstone is about the middle of the island and Nantes France is further from mid-Britain than mid-Britain is from Fraserburgh. So if it took a pigeon 16 hours to go from Nantes to Fraserburgh, it seems reasonable that a similarly fast raven could go from Eastwatch to Dragonstone in less than 8 hours, maybe even closer to 6 if my eyeballing distance is close to accurate. Allow 1-2 hours for Gendry's sprint, 6 hours for the raven and another 2-3 hours for Dany to gear up and the dragons to fly to Eastwatch. That's about 9-12 hours total. A bit longer than I felt time had passed on the show, but not an unreasonable amount of time for the standoff to have lasted.

So are game of thrones fans now at Star Wars level where they just reach to try and justify every lazy plot decision?

did some digging and found this. i dont think it's gonna actually happen or anything, but cool nonetheless

*puts down crackpipe*

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At some point we will arrive at the end of Game of thrones, and probably many deaths will take place. That's when Brandon Stark, son of Eddard Stark, decides he'll travel back in time and try to stop the Night king, his army, and the events from taking place. I will write about his journey back in time after explaining how it's possible he can do this.

When the three-eyed raven says "You will never walk again, but you will fly" he means through time, and not only warging a dragon like many fans believe. There was a reason Jojen Reed (who also had the greensight and knew even more things about it than Bran) did not become the three-eyed raven himself. The reason is that Bran is even more powerful than both Jojen and the three-eyed raven (Brynden Rivers) in the way that he has both greensight and the ability to warg. With this combination Bran is even able to affect the past by warging into Wyllis, and eventually making him become Hodor, which proves "the ink is dry". He also gains his fathers attention outside the tower of joy, and even gets touched by the Night king in one of his greensights. Bran believes he is eventually (with more knowledge) going to be able to rewrite history and that's why he decides to go back and stop the Night king several times, but fails every time, ending up fulfilling the timeline-circle and taking the identity of the Night king himself.

The first time, he tries to prepare the Mad king for the white walkers and makes him (through the same whisper-method used to get Neds attention) prepare wildfire under King's landing, where the white walkers attacked (this attack is in the future for us viewers). But Bran fails, as the Mad king goes crazy from the whispers and instead tries to burn the city.

The second time, Bran goes even further back in time (as he continiously learn his abilites he is able do go longer and longer back in time) to try discover how the others were defeated the first time. He fail again and instead succeeds to become Bran the Builder, building the Wall and securing his birth by building Winterfell and creating the words "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell".

The last time, Bran goes back all the way to where the Night king was created, to warg into the human that later is going to become the Night king (or maybe even try to kill the children of the forest). He wargs into him to instead stop the "dragonglass into the heart"-event from happening (or maybe in his attempt to kill the children, he gets chosen as the vessle for the NK). Only he doesn't think of that the children of the forest won't recognize him from the future, and that they at that point are in war with the first men (he is gagged because of all the wierd future-talk). When he realized he failed again, he tries to go back in the current timeline, but can't because he's too deep into the past and stayed to long ("it is beautiful beneath the sea, stay too long and you drown"). From here Bran gets stuck in the past (exactly as Brynden and Jojen warned him not to) and becomes the Night king. With the combination of the childrens magic and Brans power, he becomes the villian instead of the hero he tried to be, resulting in turning against the children for creating him and getting stuck behind the magical Wall he later builds as Bran the builder.

Immortal as he is, he waits for himself to be born thousands of years later, knowing when and where he has to be to mark the young Bran, personally kill Brynden Rivers for hiding the truth about what would happen with him, and eventually being able to destroy the wall with a certain dragon. The reason the Night king doesn't end his misery by killing his younger self, is that he finally learnt the ink is dry, and he would fail again. The reason he doesn't kill Jon Snow, and instead observe him at Hardhome (maybe even resurrected him at Castle black?) will be covered in the end. Ending up marching south and once again fulfilling his timeline which we will see in the following two seasons.

You can actually see in the scene where young Bran goes back to the creation of the Night king, that when the children push the dragonglass into his heart, we see Bran tighten his grip on the veins, just as it is himself experiencing the pain. Also in the end of the flashback, Bran is laying in the exact same position in the cave, as the human pushed up to the tree is.

This theory also parts with Jon snow being the prince that was promised, who eventually has to kill his little brother Bran (Night king cannot kill Jon Snow at Hardhome then, can he?), giving us a bittersweet ending.

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