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re: Game of Thrones S7 E6 "Beyond The Wall" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:05 am to boXerrumble
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:05 am to boXerrumble
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This has probably been covered numerous times on here, but is there a reason HBO shortened the episodes for Seasons 7 and 8 to 13?
I mean its not like the show is struggling to keep viewers, hell despite the leaks, viewership is still increasing.
I can't imagine its related to money.
It's the money.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:09 am to Buckeye06
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She didn't have to go with them north of the wall, but just stay at the wall
I forget the exact logic he used, but he hasn't even wanted her to leave Dragonstone. The last time she left Tyrion, Varys and Messandi in charge things went to shite pretty quickly.
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She didn't think they were in actual danger going north of the wall to try and steal a single zombie from an army of them?
I don't know why they thought it was a viable plan, we've been discussing for over a week how bad an idea this was, but they thought they had a reasonable shot at coming back. You also have to remember that Jon Snow is the only one who gets the threat level the WWs pose. Dany said it herself at the end of the episode that it's something you have to see to understand.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:11 am to Carson123987
yeah the writing for the episode was suspect
I get the time crunch and I don't like the complaining about it, but this was the first episode in which it was so noticeable that it was distracting
and the fact that they all should be dead...
or just little things, like Thoros should have been killed during the bear attack, why he miraculously survives only to die later just didn't make sense
I get the time crunch and I don't like the complaining about it, but this was the first episode in which it was so noticeable that it was distracting
and the fact that they all should be dead...
or just little things, like Thoros should have been killed during the bear attack, why he miraculously survives only to die later just didn't make sense
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:12 am to DelU249
The Night King's odd for the Heisman jumped to 2/1 after last night's performance
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:12 am to LNCHBOX
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Not to defend people posting spoilers, but anyone that watches the series knows big shite always goes down in the second to last episode of each season. I'd qualify a dragon turning as "big shite.:
plus they had a bunch of guys north of the wall ready to have a big fight
how else would the WWs be in a position to get a dragon?
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:14 am to prplhze2000
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The reviews are not being kind to this episode. They praise the production value and final battle scene but are killing them on plot and scriptwriting.
Not surprising nor unfair.
That said, the critical reception to this season has been very good, even for this shows standards.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:15 am to Salmon
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and the fact that they all should be dead...
Jon would be dead what, 5 minutes after being pulled from that water?
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
I still don't know why Jorah didn't die. He was primed and ready. His redemption was complete.
It would have been even better to have Jon put him out of his misery with Longclaw.
It would have been even better to have Jon put him out of his misery with Longclaw.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Even more than stupid stuff like that, this whole season is premised on a dumb idea. The idea that Cersei is actually going to pitch in to this war is ridiculous.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:22 am to Salmon
I almost wish that they hadn't killed off so many characters in one swoop last year leaving more fodder for this season. Olenna is the only death that seemed like it meant something. Usually, 6 eps in, we have a much larger and meaningful body count.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:25 am to CorporateTiger
quote:I agree. And I think the writing could still have worked had the characters acknowledged this but moved forward thinking that if they could convince enough people (Lords, tIron Bank, etc) it would pull them all to Dany's side leaving Cersei useless. Then she would try something drastic forcing Jaime to kill her.
Even more than stupid stuff like that, this whole season is premised on a dumb idea. The idea that Cersei is actually going to pitch in to this war is ridiculous.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:25 am to ell_13
somebody legitimate has to die next episode, you would think
I can't tell what is going on with the Arya/Sansa stuff
Either Sansa is about to go all in with LF or Arya is going to kill him
I can't tell what is going on with the Arya/Sansa stuff
Either Sansa is about to go all in with LF or Arya is going to kill him
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:28 am to Salmon
I've really disliked how they've moved (or not moved) that plot along. Neither Sansa or Arya are acting like the characters they should be considering everything they've been through. Which makes me really, really hope that they're playing LF for once. That doesn't exactly explain their behavior when they're alone, but perhaps it's an Ocean's 12 type thing where they have to assume they're being watched at all times? Idk. It just sucks.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:31 am to Salmon
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somebody legitimate has to die next episode, you would think
I thought Tormund was gonna get it. The hound saved his arse and they are best buds now. As everyone has said the dialogue between those two and Beric/Jon was awesome.
That bear was wild as shite! I wonder why it was alone and not with some other undead bears or wolves?
After the dragon took the spear the next thought that popped into my head was that they are gonna have to put a dragon glass arrowhead on Qyburn's spike launcher and snipe him from the Wall or King's Landing.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 10:17 am
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:32 am to TigerinATL
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I like the theory that Arya is using Sansa to play LF who thinks he's using Arya to play Sansa, but the only reason that makes sense is because Arya is better than this. I really don't see the path forward where this is Arya's con rather than LFs.
Arya is impulsive and takes action. If she was going to do something with the scroll she'd have done it already. Maybe she's just waiting for Jon although she kind of ruled that out herself saying he'd forgive her. So sitting on this info doesn't make sense for Arya either. I don't see how Sansa telling LF she's scared of her sister gives Arya any actionable info to use on LF.
All she had to do, while talking that diabolical talk about taking faces, was to tell Sansa that she got it from Little Finger's room after Sansa "told" him to retrieve the letter. Then they both could have been "that mother fricker!" Sansa would have easily caught Little Finger in a lie when she asked him if he knew where Arya got the letter.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:32 am to Saskwatch
so does the Ice Dragon breathe ice or fire?
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:34 am to Salmon
I saw some talk about it but not sure if it was just people bullshitin or if spoilers so I don't really wanna say
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:39 am to ell_13
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I've really disliked how they've moved (or not moved) that plot along. Neither Sansa or Arya are acting like the characters they should be considering everything they've been through. Which makes me really, really hope that they're playing LF for once. That doesn't exactly explain their behavior when they're alone, but perhaps it's an Ocean's 12 type thing where they have to assume they're being watched at all times? Idk. It just sucks.
I completely agree. Horrible plot line.
They've both been baptized by pain and horror only to finally return home and (mostly Arya) start squabbling just like S01. I expected much better from this aspect of the story to the point that it's almost painful to watch.
Also, of course, this stupid wight-retrieval errand was stupid and Snow sandbagging while they were trying to GTFO (okay maybe he was rightly trying to buy them time and ensure a safe wight-free takeoff but it sure felt over length) was agonizing as well.
Plus is Bran useless? shite going down and he just sits around Three Eye Ravening it up but no real help.
Despite some cool developments and excellent imagery, this episode was the first one in a while that I was pretty disappointed with. Or at least frustrated with.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:40 am to ohiovol
the primary critical snipes have to do with putting all these main characters in mortal, unsurvivable danger and then they all miraculously survive
if they arent going to kill jon for example (and clearly they are not, yet) then stop trying to kill him. its stupid and and it shatters the "anyone can die" mindset that started all the way back with ned. same with jaime, jorah, etc, etc
if they arent going to kill jon for example (and clearly they are not, yet) then stop trying to kill him. its stupid and and it shatters the "anyone can die" mindset that started all the way back with ned. same with jaime, jorah, etc, etc
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:41 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Then they both could have been "that mother fricker!"
That's what I was expecting. Which says either Arya already knows and needs Sansa to keep playing along, or the plan is to have Bran tell them. It surely has to resolve next week though right? What's the point of dragging this already belabored storyline into next season? I can't see any endgame other than LF dies.
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