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re: Game of Thrones S6:E6 "Blood of My Blood" (reader thread) (NO LEAKS!)
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:32 pm to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:32 pm to TigerFanatic99
I had to look that up. I thought he was.
But I'll bet money he isn't the HS if y'all want to go that route.
BTW, did anyone catch what Davos said while going over the map? He mentioned a few houses, including Manderly, but Manderly was not on his list of those who were already pledged to Bolton. Ramsay did say they supported him, which seems to be a conspicuous inconsistency.
But I'll bet money he isn't the HS if y'all want to go that route.
BTW, did anyone catch what Davos said while going over the map? He mentioned a few houses, including Manderly, but Manderly was not on his list of those who were already pledged to Bolton. Ramsay did say they supported him, which seems to be a conspicuous inconsistency.
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:34 pm to wildtigercat93
It seems odd that Benjen joined at all, honestly.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:34 pm to JumpingTheShark
I think Bran is/was 3ER.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:35 pm to blueboy
In the books, the Manderlys only support the Bolton's because of hostages taken by the Freys.
So if it's the same situation in the show, then it would be very reasonable for Davos to be unaware of those hostages, and therefore any Bolton allegiance.
ETA and further more, I'm pretty sure books Davos doesn't know about the Manderlys allegiance to the Freys and Boltons until he shows up in White Harbor. So him counting them the way he did is actually consistent with both the books and the show.
Boom.
So if it's the same situation in the show, then it would be very reasonable for Davos to be unaware of those hostages, and therefore any Bolton allegiance.
ETA and further more, I'm pretty sure books Davos doesn't know about the Manderlys allegiance to the Freys and Boltons until he shows up in White Harbor. So him counting them the way he did is actually consistent with both the books and the show.
Boom.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:36 pm to wildtigercat93
That's what I thought, which goes back to why it is odd that Ned reinforces to Bran (and Rickon?) how much Rob will rely on them.
I don't think there is any grand theory of reason here, just always something that stood out to me.
I don't think there is any grand theory of reason here, just always something that stood out to me.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:37 pm to NawlinsTiger9
I don't think it was a Stark decision. From what I saw, someone from the nights watch convinced him that the Nights watch needed help and it convinced him he wanted to do it, probably against the people around him telling him not to, same thing as Jon.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:42 pm to blueboy
quote:
BTW, did anyone catch what Davos said while going over the map? He mentioned a few houses, including Manderly, but Manderly was not on his list of those who were already pledged to Bolton. Ramsay did say they supported him, which seems to be a conspicuous inconsistency.
Davos said something to the effect that they weren't sure if the Manderlys had pledged or not. And I don't remember Ramsay saying that they had definitely pledged. If I recall correctly either Ramsay or the Karstark told Roose that all they needed was the Umbers and the Manderlys since they were the biggest houses. The next episode is when the Umbers joined with Ramsay, but we really don't know if the Manderlys ever joined Ramsay or not on the show.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:48 pm to LucasP
quote:The map conversation didn't happen in the books, so it's anyone's guess. I don't think it stated whether Davos knew one way or the other, but I'm not looking it up, so frick it.
ETA and further more, I'm pretty sure books Davos doesn't know about the Manderlys allegiance to the Freys and Boltons until he shows up in White Harbor. So him counting them the way he did is actually consistent with both the books and the show.
quote:I don't think those hostages exist on the show, and I think it's just the one hostage, right?
So if it's the same situation in the show, then it would be very reasonable for Davos to be unaware of those hostages, and therefore any Bolton allegiance.
We may still get some version of Davos' in WH, but the Frey pies will have to be eaten by Walder himself, which is a much better twist, IMO.
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Boom
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:58 pm to Bamatab
quote:It's hard to tell whether he's saying they are already allies or that they would like for them to be. Here's the scene. Judge for yourself, but you'd think that Roose would have said something about them possibly not getting their support if it was all just wishful thinkiing.
Davos said something to the effect that they weren't sure if the Manderlys had pledged or not. And I don't remember Ramsay saying that they had definitely pledged. If I recall correctly either Ramsay or the Karstark told Roose that all they needed was the Umbers and the Manderlys since they were the biggest houses. The next episode is when the Umbers joined with Ramsay, but we really don't know if the Manderlys ever joined Ramsay or not on the show.
Ramsay Kills Roose
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:11 pm to blueboy
But the Umbers don't officially join up with Ramsay until the next episode. It's in that next episode that Ramsay tries to get Smalljon to bend the knee to him. That's why I'm not for sure that they were officially aligned with the Boltons at that time.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:12 pm to blueboy
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The map conversation didn't happen in the books, so it's anyone's guess.
Something similar did though, it must have. Granted it would be very different because it's Stannis who sent him to White Harbor, but they must have had some discussion about why the Mannis thought could draw Manderly support, right?
Goddammit, you're gonna force me to do a lot of rereading tonight.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:16 pm to LucasP
I don't recall the map conversation happen in the book, but I could be wrong. I recall it is just a matter of Davos and Stannis knowing that they have to have Manderly's support. I don't think it was a matter of Stannis thinking he could, just knowing that he must. In the books, I don't think Davos knew that White Harbor had fallen to the lannisters until he was in Sisterton en route to White Harbor.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:39 pm to LucasP
Stannis's play for WH support is for the same reason in the books: Loyalty to the Starks and a want to get the Boltons out of Winterfell.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:54 pm to CorporateTiger
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I thought it was really only Allister who hates him, and that is at least partially driven by Jon undermining his authority.
Goes way deeper than that. Thorne was a Targaryen loyalist and was sent to the wall after the rebellion. Thorne actually has a very legitimate reason for hating the son of Ned Stark.
I'm sure there are other brothers on the wall due to the rebellion as well.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:10 pm to UncleBlazer
Y'all haven't started next week's thread yet?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:16 pm to reddman
Isn't that a Wednesday thing?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:20 pm to TigerFanatic99
Is it? My bad.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:27 pm to GurleyGirl
something meaningful needs to happen with the whole faceless men and their assassin school or else that entire storyline was a complete waste of time, just to get arya off continent for a while
what did she learn?
why did she go there?
what was jaqen doing in westeros in the first place?
how does a second rate actor afford their exorbitant fees?
arya could have gone with brienne and already be a badass pint-sized instrument of revenge, ready to join up with jon and sansa. she'd be at the wall right now, yes?
i would prefer that that time spent not be pointless. am i missing something important?
what did she learn?
why did she go there?
what was jaqen doing in westeros in the first place?
how does a second rate actor afford their exorbitant fees?
arya could have gone with brienne and already be a badass pint-sized instrument of revenge, ready to join up with jon and sansa. she'd be at the wall right now, yes?
i would prefer that that time spent not be pointless. am i missing something important?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:31 pm to cgrand
didn't jaqen give the waif permission to do something?
Possibly end Arya?
Possibly end Arya?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:32 pm to vilma4prez
he did indeed...
so lets say arya kills the waif; now what?
go to westeros, back where she started?
so lets say arya kills the waif; now what?
go to westeros, back where she started?
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