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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:19 pm to
I really hope Jaqen accepts the waifs face and drops it. If not Arya will die in the last season.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:21 pm to
I think Jaqen has always kind of rooted for Arya to succeed. You could really see it in his face when the Waif came to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if he steps in when it comes down to it to stop Arya's death.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:22 pm to
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The High Sparrow/Faith militant storyline officially jumped the shark this week IMO. It's been a stretch for a while now as it simply isn't realistic given the parameters laid out for this universe, but at this point they are in "frick it we've got to keep this shite going for a while" mode


What? It's extremely realistic in the parameters of the universe. And it's going to be wrapped up this season I believe.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:23 pm to
Do you guys think that if Arya kills the waif that Jaqen will view it as the faceless God receiving the life it was owed and attribute it to the way it was supposed to happen or view it that they were deprived of Aryas face in the end and continuously pursue her? I certainly think Arya will kill the waif with needle. Although we haven't seen the waif fight with anything other than a stick, I am sure she can kill with virtually any weapon necessary, but she presumably also hasn't seen Arya fight with needle.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:28 pm to
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Do you guys think that if Arya kills the waif that Jaqen will view it as the faceless God receiving the life it was owed and attribute it to the way it was supposed to happen or view it that they were deprived of Aryas face in the end and continuously pursue her? I certainly think Arya will kill the waif with needle. Although we haven't seen the waif fight with anything other than a stick, I am sure she can kill with virtually any weapon necessary, but she presumably also hasn't seen Arya fight with needle.


So you just used more words in a different order to convey the same thing I did?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:28 pm to
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It's extremely realistic in the parameters of the universe.


In ANY other similar scenario, such a radical group would be slaughtered with the quickness for doing such damage to a major house (let alone two). Those who argue this is believable are literally forced to say that because the common people support them, the Lannisters/Tyrell's can't kill them. That's the ENTIRE basis for its supposed believability. The Lannisters won't kill some folks because poor people might riot.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:29 pm to
Yeah basically, but wanting the boards thoughts on which one they think will happen and how it will play out.
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:39 pm to
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In ANY other similar scenario, such a radical group would be slaughtered with the quickness for doing such damage to a major house (let alone two). Those who argue this is believable are literally forced to say that because the common people support them, the Lannisters/Tyrell's can't kill them. That's the ENTIRE basis for its supposed believability. The Lannisters won't kill some folks because poor people might riot.

Cersei put the High Sparrow into power. Then the High Sparrow basically had not only Cersei, but the actual queen and Tyrell heir hostage. Compound that with a weak arse king who is scared of his own shadow, much less someone hurting his wife. Now the weak arse king has aligned with the High Sparrow, so now no one can really lift a finger since it would be treason to against the crown.
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Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:44 pm to
One thing I have noticed is a trend in the book and the shows is the "dying out" of very ancient traditions and customs, for lack of a better word. What I mean is that we read and hear things like, "The Starks were Kings of Winter for thousands of years and have been Wardens of the North for a long time", the Nights Watch has held Castle black for presumably centuries, the Tarly's have had Heartsbane for about 500 years, Ice was hundreds of years old (now gone), the Children of the forest are hundreds of years old and some maybe even thousands? The Wildlings have been hated by the seven kingdoms for thousands of years? I guess what I am getting at is that these seemingly strong traditions and facts have been reversed rather easily in recent memory. There are others I am missing I am sure, but I guess the storytelling is showing that these strong historical facts and positions are somewhat frail and subject to reversal as a result of the recent events and the major events to come (i.e. Winter). Does that make any sense at all? I just feel like it has seemed kind of easy to completely wipe out Stark rule, etc. as long as the other houses betray them? I dunno.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 12:54 pm
Posted by boXerrumble
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:45 pm to
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I really hope Jaqen accepts the waifs face and drops it. If not Arya will die in the last season.


Or after/if Arya kills the Waif, she makes a pact with Jaqen to return to the Faceless God after the people on her list are dead.

Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:45 pm to
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The saying "there is a fine line" between two things implies that they are closely related. I would say that phrase definitely applies to insanity and genius. We see it with authors and musicians in the real world constantly.


There is a huge difference between insanity and not caring about consequences and not having inhibitions.
Authors and musicians are not insane. They just dont care about consequences and dont have inhibitions. You can not be a great author or musician and be insane.
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:46 pm to
What I want to see in the last four episodes this season:

1. Battle of the North with a Stark victory and a dead Ramsay
2. Resolution of the conflict with the faith and the High Sparrow deposed
3. A verbal confirmation of R+L=J
4. Walder Frey killed
5. Dany wraps things up in Meereen and decides to head West

What I'm afraid we will see:

1. Battle for the North ending with a Littlefinger victory and more uncertainty regarding the Stark's future in Winterfell
2. Conflict with the faith drags on even more, and both Cersei and the high sparrow survive the season
3. Another tease of R+L=J without actually confirming it.
4. Walter Frey lives at the end season
5. Dany doesn't get enough time to fix things in Meereen and holds off on going west.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:47 pm to
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You can not be a great author or musician and be insane.


I disagree entirely, but it hinges on what you personally define as "insane."

Dictionary definition:

quote:

in a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction


Seems applicable to me, but to each their own.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:49 pm to
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The High Sparrow/Faith militant storyline officially jumped the shark this week IMO. It's been a stretch for a while now as it simply isn't realistic given the parameters laid out for this universe,


How do you figure it jumped the shark? How is it far fetched to see a bunch of "have nots" cling to religion? Im sure the faith militant has been to every slum and poor place in Kings Landing explaining that there are far more of them than high born. They have also shown they are very powerful so any of the poor people ok the fence have seen the faith militant incarcerate one of the most powerful people in the world and make her complete the walk of shame.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:50 pm to
You misunderstand, my point was the writers forced a scenario by where the situation finally makes a little sense so they could keep that storyline going. Yes, NOW that Tommen will have anyone who acts against them it makes a LITTLE sense. It didn't for the 10 episodes prior to this and the means by which the current alliance was forged was absurd.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:51 pm to
Agreed. If thats the definition used then yeah.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:52 pm to
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How do you figure it jumped the shark? How is it far fetched to see a bunch of "have nots" cling to religion? Im sure the faith militant has been to every slum and poor place in Kings Landing explaining that there are far more of them than high born.


I agree with this and also I still think there is a lot behind the faith militant to which we have not been exposed. I am sure there will be some uber killings by the Mountain, but there seem to still be some ulterior motives at play here which have not been revealed, IMO. That HS is a sneaky, diabolical frick.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:53 pm to
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. It didn't for the 10 episodes prior to this and the means by which the current alliance was forged was absurd.


What? They already explained that the faith militant had more men than everyone in the city. The Tyrells had to bring in their army. The faith militant basically had everyone on their side that wasnt a high born.
Posted by Azazello
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:53 pm to
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ohiovol


I think we will certainly see resolution on several of those points. There are only going to be ~14 more episodes in the entire series. They have to start tying some things up.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:54 pm to
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Those who argue this is believable are literally forced to say that because the common people support them, the Lannisters/Tyrell's can't kill them. That's the ENTIRE basis for its supposed believability. The Lannisters won't kill some folks because poor people might riot.


Despite his madness, the Mad King was well liked by the people and it's what kept him in power. The Lannisters have had their dirty laundry displayed for years now since Stannis sent his ravens about the incest in their household and the discontent has been building as the faction of the poor grows.

It makes a lot of sense for the Lannisters to walk on eggshells with the HS because of their very loose grasp on the throne. And Tommen flipping also makes a lot of sense given his well established demeanor and connection to Margery. He's trying to separate himself from his crazy arse mother and that's a pretty sure way to do it.
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