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re: Game of Thrones S5:E9:"The Dance of Dragons", BOOK READERS
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:20 am to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:20 am to LoveThatMoney
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Well see, here's the only thing that made me go a little nuts at that scene: not five episodes ago he comforted his daughter by saying he told everyone who had told him to send her away to jump off a cliff and saved her life through any means necessary because she was his daughter. It was a touching moment and it showed Stannis was a real human being, not some automaton driven by blind "duty" and "honor." Or, in your opinion, blind ambition.
But in this episode, he basically just sends her to her death without much thought. It didn't ring true to me.
He stared wild eyed at the spectacle, but there was no real emotional reaction to his daughter's death, so it appeared to be a step back in his character to me. His wife, on the other hand, who has appeared to be so cold and distant to her daughter and so dedicated to the "Lord of Light," lost it. This just seemed backwards to me.
Agreed. While that scene was very touching and great, this episode ruined it and made Stannis out to be an even bigger monster.
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:27 am to OMLandshark
So this was the second episode this season where the leach burning was on the previously on and Balon is still alive 
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:36 am to Finkle is Einhorn
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think he just meant that Shireen will be burnt and sacrificed by somebody. That's been built up and seems like her purpose as a character.
But IF Stannis (in his mind) is the rightful king, why in Rh'lor's name would he burn and sacrifice his only living heir? The show version does not make sense, the book has, so far.
Have I missed something?
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:46 am to OMLandshark
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Agreed. While that scene was very touching and great, this episode ruined it and made Stannis out to be an even bigger monster.
Agreed x 2. Stannis is always a cold driven character, but his relationship with his daughter does so much to make you root for him. Selyse on the other hand is a bitch that would gladly have given her to the flames. In a series where there are about 5 likeable characters to root for, they make you hate 1 one as badly as anyone else. He let his daughter be burned alive. It's going to be hilarious when Mel is all "whoops, you aren't really Azor Ahai, Jon Snow is... my bad about your daughter."
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:48 am to LoveThatMoney
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Well see, here's the only thing that made me go a little nuts at that scene: not five episodes ago he comforted his daughter by saying he told everyone who had told him to send her away to jump off a cliff and saved her life through any means necessary because she was his daughter. It was a touching moment and it showed Stannis was a real human being, not some automaton driven by blind "duty" and "honor." Or, in your opinion, blind ambition.
But in this episode, he basically just sends her to her death without much thought. It didn't ring true to me.
It did run counter to his long term arc which was one moving away from the worst of his rigidity (letting Jon off the hook for sparing Mance more agony, treating his daughter with affection) and it was obviously done for the surprise factor. But I can accept that he would go against his arc. People do backslide and he was in a very desperate situation and people do all kinds of fricked up shite when they are desperate. Not the most well executed storyline but I could buy it.
I think Stannis will meet his retribution. But I don't think that its because what he did was "bad". It was but it's been noted numerous times that GRRM does not necessarily prevent bad things from happening to good people and vice versa. But I think he does tend to punish characters who are narrow minded or fixated on one characteristic or trait. i.e.:
Ned Stark - Honor
Joffrey - Assholishness
Rob Stark - Romantic Love
Tywin - Family name/reputation
Catelyn - Idiocy
Viper - Arrogance
Moutnatin - Brutality
Etc. Etc. Etc.
For Stannis I think it's duty/rigidity
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 11:52 am
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:48 am to Mr. Wayne
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It's going to be hilarious when Mel is all "whoops, you aren't really Azor Ahai, Jon Snow is... my bad about your daughter."
When this happens, he will either burn, strangle, etc. Mel or Selyse may kill them both now that she realized she liked her daughter at the last moment.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 11:49 am to OMLandshark
dont care
keep Hodor thread for Hordors
Yall can keep this one for Maesters.
keep Hodor thread for Hordors
Yall can keep this one for Maesters.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:01 pm to LSU2NO
Stannis is aware of the true threat. He doesn't have the luxury of planning a dynasty. He sees himself as the only one capable of saving the living. He sacrificed his daughter for every living soul in his mind.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:25 pm to Mr. Wayne
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whoops, you aren't really Azor Ahai, Jon Snow is.
Jon is AA
Dany is Lightbringer
They fall in love and thus spin the song of ice and fire
their child is the Prince (or princess) that was promised.
I always go back to Dany's vision in the House of the undying, Snow on the throne, she exits the gate of the Wall.. lots of Snow foreshadowing
Sound about right? eh maybe I need to go to the crackpot thread.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:37 pm to rebeloke
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tannis is aware of the true threat. He doesn't have the luxury of planning a dynasty. He sees himself as the only one capable of saving the living. He sacrificed his daughter for every living soul in his mind.
I feel that Stannis is going to have his true character surface in the end. I always felt he hid behind duty in order to explain away his bitterness that his brother accomplished more than he ever could. I think he is using Mel to fulfill his lifelong ambition to get out of his brothers shadow. Once she abandons him he is going to lose his shite proving that he is every bit as glory driven as his brother.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:40 pm to SidewalkDawg
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I always go back to Dany's vision in the House of the undying, Snow on the throne, she exits the gate of the Wall.. lots of Snow foreshadowing Sound about right? eh maybe I need to go to the crackpot thread.
I think there was also something about her 3 loves and the last one was represented by a blue rose or a frozen rose that I took to mean as Jon Snow
The question is how do you get Dany and Jon in the same room together and enough to let them fall in love. If Dany and Jon ever meet, it will be whenever shite is really hittin the fan
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:43 pm to SidewalkDawg
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Jon is AA
Dany is Lightbringer
They fall in love and thus spin the song of ice and fire
their child is the Prince (or princess) that was promised.
I believe!
For a minute I thought Melisandra caused the fires.
Maybe Dany will fly across the narrow sea and land at the wall and that's how they meet.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:44 pm to wildtigercat93
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Literally noone even blinked an eye about Trant wanting to bang a 12 year old, because we've never met that girl.
I have a problem with it. Hopefully Arya kills him in the finale before he has the chance to rape another child.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:47 pm to SidewalkDawg
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Jon is AA
Dany is Lightbringer
They fall in love and thus spin the song of ice and fire
their child is the Prince (or princess) that was promised.
I always go back to Dany's vision in the House of the undying, Snow on the throne, she exits the gate of the Wall.. lots of Snow foreshadowing
Sound about right? eh maybe I need to go to the crackpot thread.
Jon is definitely AA in my mind.
I have a feeling that Dany will end up being Nissa Nissa.
The dragons will probably be lightbringer (with Dawn being the dark horse candidate).
I doubt Jon and Dany have a baby that has any outcome on the prophecies. I think the Prince that was Promised is a combination of Jon, Dany, and either Tyrion or Bran.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:47 pm to Korin
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It makes no sense for Doran to send his only heir to KL with nothing in return.
Is it possible Doran is sending Trystan to KL because that's who he can 100% trust to see to it that Tommen is killed so that Trystan and Marcella become king and queen?
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:48 pm to iluvdatiger
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Hopefully Arya kills him in the finale before he has the chance to rape another child.
I have a feeling that Arya will get Trant alone my offer herself to him, and then will kill him (hopefully before he has a chance to rape her, although knowing this show who knows).
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:49 pm to iluvdatiger
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Is it possible Doran is sending Trystan to KL because that's who he can 100% trust to see to it that Tommen is killed so that Trystan and Marcella become king and queen?
Definitely checks out, but why would they want to hitch their hopes to a falling house (The Lannisters)? In the books, they were playing every possible hand. They had two marriage pacts with Targs and one with the Lannisters, hedging their bets so that they won no matter what.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 12:54 pm to wildtigercat93
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The question is how do you get Dany and Jon in the same room together and enough to let them fall in love. If Dany and Jon ever meet, it will be whenever shite is really hittin the fan
I think it's going to be Romeo and Juliet type thing where the moment they see other, it will be love at first sight and in the end, they die together.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:04 pm to iluvdatiger
And then who will be left to rule in that situation?
I think one of Dany and Jon will die, but not both
I think one of Dany and Jon will die, but not both
Posted on 6/8/15 at 1:12 pm to The Midnight Rider
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Anyone who is surprised and outraged by Stannis' actions last night simply DOES NOT understand him or Game of Thrones.
Or we're just not used to seeing children burned alive
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