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Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:12 am to The Midnight Rider
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And personally, I'm not sure it's really a bad thing. Perhaps she had to be burned to be his Nissa Nissa. Perhaps she survives and we learn that her Grey Scale provided some sort of protection against fire. Perhaps him sacrificing Shireen to the only god proven as being real so far will enable him to crush the Boltons, rally the North, and form the only army that has any intention of fighting the REAL battle one day. Jesus Christ people, this story is far from over. How can all of you be reacting this way already? Just wait and see what happens. For book readers, a lot of you in this thread sure don't seem to have a grasp of how this series works.
What Stannis did was just downright evil and selfish. Plus I don't really think he believes in it. Not going to root for a guy who burns his own daughter to death.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:15 am to OMLandshark
I never understood why people were fans of his anyway.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:15 am to The Midnight Rider
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He absolutely stood there and watched? Did any of you even listen to the scene with Shireen before they burned her? Do any of you actually GET Stannis?? He sticks to his guns, NO MATTER WHAT. He believes he is AA chosen and that he HAS to do this to fulfill his destiny. He clearly explained his reasoning in that scene. I swear some of you are so thick...
Stannis' reasoning is absolute bullshite and he knows it. Stannis says he only does things because of duty, but no, he does it for power. He doesn't really believe in the Lord of Light, he's only doing this just in case. Stannis talks a big game of honor and selflessness, but all he really is is a liar.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:16 am to SundayFunday
Nothing changed for me in terms of Stannis after last night. He's crazy as shite, but he's consistent. Nothing ranks above his claim, in his mind. He would kill Selyse (frick her, by the way), the Red Woman, Davos, etc., etc. He's always been that way, and it continued last night. It didn't shock me one iota. That's always been Stannis.
Also, echo the person in this thread who brought up their disappointment in The Unsullied. They've dropped in the power rankings tremendously in the past month.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:19 am to OMLandshark
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Plus I don't really think he believes in it.
I disagree. I think his whole speech to Shireen proved that he truly believed that he is Azor Ahai. He basically thought that his destiny was more important to the greater good than his love for his daughter. Now that is still extremely messed up thinking, but I think it proves how much Mel has brainwashed him since early on in his story (plus the White Walker accounts probably also swayed him).
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:22 am to Bamatab
So in the book do you think Mel will burn Shireen to resurrect Jon Snow?
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:23 am to TigerintheNO
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So in the book do you think Mel will burn Shireen to resurrect Jon Snow?
No. The reason for the sacrifice will be the same, just a venue change.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:27 am to TigerintheNO
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So in the book do you think Mel will burn Shireen to resurrect Jon Snow?
No. I think Stannis is going to get bogged down in the winter conditions (kind of like he is on the show), and will send word to Mel to sacrifice her. One of the released WoW chapters seems to hint that Stannis' army might be in dire straights. The only difference will be that Stannis probably won't be there to witness it in person.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:39 am to TigerintheNO
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So in the book do you think Mel will burn Shireen to resurrect Jon Snow?
Stannis still has Theon chained up. He also has Asha. Their dad proclaimed himself as king of the Iron Islands.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:50 am to OMLandshark
How can you say all of this, OML? Have you even been paying attention to Stannis?
Exactly! This scene was RIGHT BEFORE the burning for a reason- so that we understand that he truly believes he's doing what is necessary for the greater good. And just like some other poster said, Stannis has been completely consistent throughout the entire series. OF COURSE he'd burn Shireen if it means better chances of winning the next battle, amassing more men and land, and better preparing for what's to come. He believes he's AA and he's following the prophecy as such.
More evidence that proves you haven't been paying attention:
Melisandre to Stannis
Stannis to Davos
Anyone who is surprised and outraged by Stannis' actions last night simply DOES NOT understand him or Game of Thrones. This IS NOT Lord of the Rings or other fantasy stories where good triumphs evil in clean ways. The "good guys" in this story make hard decisions and huge sacrifices because that's what real life is like. Get with the program, people. Things are only going to continue to get bad before the "end" of the story.
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I disagree. I think his whole speech to Shireen proved that he truly believed that he is Azor Ahai. He basically thought that his destiny was more important to the greater good than his love for his daughter. Now that is still extremely messed up thinking, but I think it proves how much Mel has brainwashed him since early on in his story (plus the White Walker accounts probably also swayed him).
Exactly! This scene was RIGHT BEFORE the burning for a reason- so that we understand that he truly believes he's doing what is necessary for the greater good. And just like some other poster said, Stannis has been completely consistent throughout the entire series. OF COURSE he'd burn Shireen if it means better chances of winning the next battle, amassing more men and land, and better preparing for what's to come. He believes he's AA and he's following the prophecy as such.
More evidence that proves you haven't been paying attention:
Melisandre to Stannis
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This war has just begun. It will last for years. Thousands will die at your command. You will betray the men serving you, you will betray your family, you will betray everything you once held dear...and it will all be worth it, because you are the Son of Fire, you are the Warrior of Light. You will sweep aside this pretender and that one; you will be king.
Stannis to Davos
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I never asked for this crown. Gold is cold and heavy on the head, but so long as I am the king, I have a duty … If I must sacrifice one child to the flames to save a million from the dark … Sacrifice … is never easy, Davos. Or it is no true sacrifice.
Anyone who is surprised and outraged by Stannis' actions last night simply DOES NOT understand him or Game of Thrones. This IS NOT Lord of the Rings or other fantasy stories where good triumphs evil in clean ways. The "good guys" in this story make hard decisions and huge sacrifices because that's what real life is like. Get with the program, people. Things are only going to continue to get bad before the "end" of the story.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:52 am to Bamatab
quote:I think this is what is going to happen. And then the power gained from the burning is used not for Stannis, but to raise Jon Snow.
No. I think Stannis is going to get bogged down in the winter conditions (kind of like he is on the show), and will send word to Mel to sacrifice her. One of the released WoW chapters seems to hint that Stannis' army might be in dire straights. The only difference will be that Stannis probably won't be there to witness it in person.
Everyone freaking out over Shireen's burning and claiming that the show has jumped the shark...really? What did you think you were watching here? Did you forget Ned's beheading? The red wedding? The Mountain torturing people or Sansa's constant abuse? Bad things happen to good people on this show. GRRM has said himself many times in interviews, good and evil is subjective for many of his characters (Joffrey, Ramsay, Mountain notwithstanding).
This is the Song of Ice and Fire. There are Others (ice) and the Red God and Dragons (fire). The Others kill everyone and raise zombie armies. The Red God demands human sacrifice by fire and dragons eat kids. The lines are blurred here. If you want Prince Valiant swooping in to save the princess, go watch Cinderella.
The scene was hard to watch, but that just speaks to how far Stannis has fallen. It wasn't even the worst daughter burning scene on TV! Google Sons of Anarchy S5E1. I liked the episode and can't wait to see where D&D take it. Yall all acting like a bunch of sweet summer children in here.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 9:55 am
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:54 am to UMRealist
Again, get with the program. This is how ASOIAF/GOT works. Bad shite happens. No one is completely good.
And I got news for ya, this season is most likely going to end with Jon being stabbed. Buckle up.
And I got news for ya, this season is most likely going to end with Jon being stabbed. Buckle up.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:54 am to Bamatab
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he has already broken his oath by bedding Ygritte
he vowed to take no wife and father no children...plus to the extent the vow means don't get your willy wet, this part of the oath means nothing. It is known.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:55 am to SetTheMood
Thank you, STM! I seriously don't understand how people can be outraged by this kind of stuff at this point. How do y'all not "get it" by now?
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:56 am to Putty
god damn mother fricker I accidentally opened this thread instead of the Hodor thread. 
the shite on the page before is why we will still need one for future seasons BTW. If we are getting rid of any thread it should be the middle ground, not the Hodor.
the shite on the page before is why we will still need one for future seasons BTW. If we are getting rid of any thread it should be the middle ground, not the Hodor.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:57 am to OMLandshark
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What higher betrayal could there be than burning your own flesh and blood at the stake
I would say that donating countless of your flesh and blood to demons for god knows what purpose is about on par.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:01 am to Putty
Davos will not take this well
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:02 am to Cosmo
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Davos will not take this well
perhaps this will be the reason Davos leaves and goes to look for Rickon?
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:02 am to The Midnight Rider
I hated The Sparrows in the books..but after seeing what Stannis is capable of I am 100% Team Seven Pointed Star.
May the dirty, gruby, unwashed masses take control of the seven kingdoms and anoint a true king to rule all.
New Crackpot Theory: The church learns about the wildlings settling in The Gift. They send envoys up there, the wildings find religion (or a new one) in the Seven. The High Septon then has more army than he could ever hope for and starts wrecking shop. General is our "gravedigger", he fights Robert Strong to condemn Cersei to death. The story end up being Old Gods (white walkers) vs. the New (all the seven kingdoms united under the church).
BOOM!
:mindblown:
May the dirty, gruby, unwashed masses take control of the seven kingdoms and anoint a true king to rule all.
New Crackpot Theory: The church learns about the wildlings settling in The Gift. They send envoys up there, the wildings find religion (or a new one) in the Seven. The High Septon then has more army than he could ever hope for and starts wrecking shop. General is our "gravedigger", he fights Robert Strong to condemn Cersei to death. The story end up being Old Gods (white walkers) vs. the New (all the seven kingdoms united under the church).
BOOM!
:mindblown:
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