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re: Game of Thrones S5 OFF-SEASON THREAD, NO SPOILERS/BOOKREADERS!
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:02 pm to HideChaKidz
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:02 pm to HideChaKidz
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The writers don't know who the mother is so they left it open to interpretation by not having Ned say straight up that Jon is his son. So whichever direction GRRM goes with the story, the showrunners wouldn't have dialogued themselves into a pickle later on.
Pretty sure they know how each characters arc ends already, so they most probably know who Jon Snows mother will be
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:03 pm to HideChaKidz
It's my understanding that the show writers know the end story - they made Martin tell them before they agreed to do the show in case he dies before finishing. Don't know if that includes who Jon's parents are.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:05 pm to Iona Fan Man
EX3: Jon is Ned's. Ned was forced to marry Kat. He was in love with another woman, but when Brandon was killed, he had to leave her, to join the houses to fight the war. Ned is made uneasy, because he still has tremendous feelings for his first love. Kat senses that, and why she HATES Jon so much. Kat knows that Ned wouldn't cheat unless it was with someone he truly loved....Jon is that reminder.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:07 pm to Iona Fan Man
I don't know why you put "theories" in quotations, those both easily meet the definition of the word. I just think that the sister being the mom makes more sense than those theories.
And I don't know the punishment for a member of the night's watch fathering a child is, but I highly doubt that includes killing the child.
And I don't know the punishment for a member of the night's watch fathering a child is, but I highly doubt that includes killing the child.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:07 pm to VOLhalla
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It's my understanding that the show writers know the end story - they made Martin tell them before they agreed to do the show in case he dies before finishing. Don't know if that includes who Jon's parents are.
Ahh ok I didn't know this.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:09 pm to Iona Fan Man
The problem with your third example is Ned Stark's honor. He doesn't seem like he would break his wedding vows even if he was in love with the other woman.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:11 pm to VOLhalla
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The problem with your third example is Ned Stark's honor. He doesn't seem like he would break his wedding vows even if he was in love with the other woman.
what's the age difference between Rob and Jon?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:18 pm to Iona Fan Man
I don't know. Ned married Kat, knocked her up, then went to war. He came back with a baby (Jon). I guess they are about the same age. Unless Jon is older then your Brandon theory is dead since Brandon was dead by the time Ned and Kat conceived Rob.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:20 pm to VOLhalla
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The problem with your third example is Ned Stark's honor. He doesn't seem like he would break his wedding vows even if he was in love with the other woman
In this conversation with Robert, Ned says Jon Snow's mother's name was Wylla.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:23 pm to VOLhalla
My Blackbird theory goes something like this(SHOW ONLY):
-Cersi and Robert's first kid was a "black haired" "Bird"
-Supposedly died with illness
-when jon snow brought to Kat by Ned he was sickly and ill
-Cersi wanted Rob's seed dead because she wanted Joffrey(true Lannister) to be king
-"Bird" is writer reference to "Crow"
-The writers referencing C&R's sick baby and Kat's story of sick baby purposefully shows the tie.
-Cersi and Robert's first kid was a "black haired" "Bird"
-Supposedly died with illness
-when jon snow brought to Kat by Ned he was sickly and ill
-Cersi wanted Rob's seed dead because she wanted Joffrey(true Lannister) to be king
-"Bird" is writer reference to "Crow"
-The writers referencing C&R's sick baby and Kat's story of sick baby purposefully shows the tie.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:25 pm to VOLhalla
there'd only be a few months difference, after war and travel back home, you wouldn't see much of a difference
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:25 pm to Iona Fan Man
My question about that one is the timeline. When did cersei and robert get married and when was their first child born? Was ned already back at winterfell with Jon?
Actually, an exact timeline, including birth dates, would go a long way in clearing up things.
Eta: Jon was sickly when he was brought to winterfell? If so that's a strong connection.
Actually, an exact timeline, including birth dates, would go a long way in clearing up things.
Eta: Jon was sickly when he was brought to winterfell? If so that's a strong connection.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:28 pm to VOLhalla
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When did cersei and robert get married and when was their first child born? Was ned already back at winterfell with Jon?
no, because they married to join houses to kill the king
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:31 pm to Iona Fan Man
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My Blackbird theory goes something like this(SHOW ONLY): -Cersi and Robert's first kid was a "black haired" "Bird" -Supposedly died with illness -when jon snow brought to Kat by Ned he was sickly and ill -Cersi wanted Rob's seed dead because she wanted Joffrey(true Lannister) to be king -"Bird" is writer reference to "Crow" -The writers referencing C&R's sick baby and Kat's story of sick baby purposefully shows the tie.
LOVE IT! What if the baby Cersei had was actually Ned's and Ned took it from her because he knew she would kill it so Robert wouldn't find out they were having relations. So he brought the baby back to raise as a bastard and this is why him and Cersei have given each other the stink eye since season one!
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:32 pm to VOLhalla
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Jon was sickly when he was brought to winterfell? If so that's a strong connection.
kat in the video says, when he brought that boy home, I cursed him and wanted him dead, he got sick, and the maester said that he might not last the night. She "listed to his rugged little breaths, his couging, his wimpering. When my husband brought that baby home from the war I couldn't bear to look at him"
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:32 pm to CocomoLSU
Yeah, it might be nothing and Ned Stark's the dad.
But if Ned is willing to lie to Kat about Jon then he would be willing to lie to King Robert. And I only think ned would lie for a very big reason.
Probably the biggest reason I think Ned's sister is the mom is because of my wife and her friends. They are 100% on board with it and they maintain that this falls within the realm of a woman's intuition. I've decided that arguing against them on matters of maternity is pointless
But if Ned is willing to lie to Kat about Jon then he would be willing to lie to King Robert. And I only think ned would lie for a very big reason.
Probably the biggest reason I think Ned's sister is the mom is because of my wife and her friends. They are 100% on board with it and they maintain that this falls within the realm of a woman's intuition. I've decided that arguing against them on matters of maternity is pointless
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:33 pm to VOLhalla
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The problem with your third example is Ned Stark's honor. He doesn't seem like he would break his wedding vows even if he was in love with the other woman.
Every theory in this thread suggesting Ned isn't the dad relies on this even though this show has hammered the idea time and again that nobody is entirely one type of person. "bad guys" have done noble things, Ned lied about being a traitor to save his life, and on and on.
What make it impossible or far fetched in the universe the show has created that Jon Snow isn't just one more example of that.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:38 pm to CrippleCreek
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Ned isn't the dad relies on this even though this show has hammered the idea time and again that nobody is entirely one type of person.
Rob, like his father, betrothed to another, fell for a field nurse. He broke his word, his honor.....and justified it because he was "king of the North" so he can change his mind.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:40 pm to Iona Fan Man
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no, because they married to join houses to kill the king
Tywin lannister took King's Landing under the guise of being an ally. If Robert and Cersei where already married that would indicate the side Tywin had already chosen and they wouldn't have opened the gates for him. I think they were married after the war to consolidate power
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:46 pm to CrippleCreek
Ned also never tells jon he is his father nor does he call him son. Only that they share blood.
But yeah, these are just fan theories. Of course they are made on assumptions. I'm assuming that Ned wouldn't break his wedding vows (were they married in front of one of those trees like where Jon said his vows? If so that's a very sacred pact for Ned).
Ned may be willing to lie about Jon's mother (maybe to save Jon's life) and lie to save himself and his daughters in King's Landing, but I think that is different than cheating on his wife.
But yeah, these are just fan theories. Of course they are made on assumptions. I'm assuming that Ned wouldn't break his wedding vows (were they married in front of one of those trees like where Jon said his vows? If so that's a very sacred pact for Ned).
Ned may be willing to lie about Jon's mother (maybe to save Jon's life) and lie to save himself and his daughters in King's Landing, but I think that is different than cheating on his wife.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:47 pm
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