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re: Game of Thrones S5 OFF-SEASON THREAD, NO SPOILERS/BOOKREADERS!
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:50 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:50 am to CocomoLSU
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wildcat..somebody posted that shite a day or two ago. Cracked me up.
I wish I had a gif of him cutting that steak off that chicks arse from one of his videos
Or him using the hose on her
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:51 am to CocomoLSU
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So I've heard..
ETA: Aren't you not supposed to be in here anyway?
it's only about GoT stuff
and i only came in here to point WTC93 to an answer he wanted
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:51 am to JimMorrison
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:52 am to CocomoLSU
quote:I read the article before coming to this board. Had I come to this board first, I'd have read it here first. So I didn't bring anything to this board that wasn't already here. And I would think (hope) that I could have put 2+2 together even without reading the NYT or coming here that witchy's look meant something more than she wants to get in Jon's pants. Her obsession with Gendry and his royal blood is something that makes you go hmmmm.
That's what I'm talking about...based on the show, you never made that connection, yet you read an outside article that makes you sniff out extra things. I'd bet money that article was written with other knowledge.
quote:See above... Too much doesn't add up. Unless I missed something, Ned never said Jon's mother is dead. Why would Ned take Jon from his mother? And why would Ned let Jon go to the Wall? Especially when Ned was leaving and Jon could help with the family. And all of his half/siblings loved him. Make's no sense. That whole story line along with the purpose of his bastard status has left me wondering. Add in witchy-witch and voila... starts making sense.
And your chess analogy is laughable. I'm not great at chess, but I'm okay...it's just not a game I got into much as a kid. But that doesn't mean that I lack foresight or deduction. But I could flip that around on you and say that you aren't very good at chess either unless you have someone who is good sitting next to you telling you what moves to make. That's the analogy to you and your NYT article IMO.
But again, I don't know jack about the Lyanna's relationship with the Targaryen so I don't know how that fits in except to give Jon royal blood and make him either a foil or comrade of Gendry later.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:52 am to Byron Bojangles III
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it's only about GoT stuff
No doubt. I basically <3 you outside of GoT. But GoT-related, you fricking suck.
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and i only came in here to point WTC93 to an answer he wanted
Word. Now bounce, please.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:00 am to CocomoLSU
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See, that's what I was talking about yesterday...you can find almost any scene in the show by googling intelligently. Yet I can't find anything that would link Jon to people like Lyanna or Rhaegar or Cersei, and nobody else has either. Further, the scenes that can be found actually seem to show the complete opposite of those things.
So we're stupid because we can't put 2 and 2 together, yet the question is coming from a completely different book (pun half intended).
If you're referring to me, I never said I figured out the Targaryen theory nor did I say anyone could put 2+2 on it without the suggestion made in this thread. I believe that was Wildtigercat who brought up the promise and Targaryen connection. No way you can figure that out from the show.
But figuring out that the Ned/Jon/bastard story doesn't hold water isn't that tough. His storyline stuck out like DJ Welter on Defense... just didn't quite make sense.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:04 am to Vegas Bengal
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I read the article before coming to this board. Had I come to this board first, I'd have read it here first. So I didn't bring anything to this board that wasn't already here.
FWIW, I'm not accusing you of bringing anything here. That shite was being talked about long before I entered the thread. Just was saying that the NYT article guided you in the right direction, like so many readers have tried to do in the past in Hodor threads.
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See above... Too much doesn't add up. Unless I missed something, Ned never said Jon's mother is dead. Why would Ned take Jon from his mother? And why would Ned let Jon go to the Wall? Especially when Ned was leaving and Jon could help with the family. And all of his half/siblings loved him. Make's no sense. That whole story line along with the purpose of his bastard status has left me wondering. Add in witchy-witch and voila... starts making sense.
I mean, do you want practical answers to those questions, or are they rhetorical? Because they can be answered..
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Why would Ned take Jon from his mother?
Who knows. But if his mother was a lowborn whore, then surely being raised by Lord of the North would be a better life for him, no? Maybe the mom preferred for Jon to be taken/raised with his father.
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And why would Ned let Jon go to the Wall? Especially when Ned was leaving and Jon could help with the family. And all of his half/siblings loved him. Make's no sense.
IMO the NW is like the army, only it's for life. And Jon joined the NW to serve the realm as a noble protector of the wall and to be with his uncle, Benjen. And keep in mind that when he left Winterfell, all was well...Robb was there, as was Theon, Arya, Sansa, Bran, and Rickon. So Winterfell was full of little lords and heirs, and they didn't need Jon to "help with the family."
What parts of that don't make sense?
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That whole story line along with the purpose of his bastard status has left me wondering. Add in witchy-witch and voila... starts making sense.
Sure, I'm sure everyone was wondering. But you're saying you saw the red titty witch and "voila," things start making sense, when in actuality, it already did make sense. And keep in mind that you'd "hope" (your word) that you could connect the dots, but it wasn't until you read that article that you actually started thinking along these lines. So again, taking just the show into consideration, you had no inclinations to start connecting Jon Snow to anyone other than his unnamed mother.
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But again, I don't know jack about the Lyanna's relationship with the Targaryen so I don't know how that fits in except to give Jon royal blood and make him either a foil or comrade of Gendry later.
A lot of people seem to think we've seen the last of Gendry and that he's served his purpose (providing the royal blood for red titty witch to throw into the fire for the three names). I hope we see him again, but who knows. Hopefully people don't start coming in here with som "theories" that end up (shockingly) coming true about Gendry.
Also, most of this is just discussion because I'm bored...don't think I'm trying to accuse you of anything, because I'm not.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:05 am to Vegas Bengal
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His storyline stuck out like DJ Welter on Defense
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:11 am to Vegas Bengal
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believe that was Wildtigercat who brought up the promise and Targaryen connection.
False. It was Jet
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:18 am to wildtigercat93
Ned and Jon parting ways.
Ned: "It's a great honor serving in the Night's Watch. Starks have manned the wall for thousands of years. You are a Stark. You may not have my name, but you have my blood."
Then Jon asks him about his mother, and ned promises to tell him about her next time they see each other. So being that teh "you have my blood" comment could go either way, it sure as hell seems like signs point to Jon being Ned's bastard. Just don't see how anything on the show could lead to other conclusions.
BTW, I am assuming that Ned isn't Jon's father (though at this point I will hold the belief that he is), because it seems like that has been spoiled in here somewhere..I'm just trying to make the connection via the show.
Ned: "It's a great honor serving in the Night's Watch. Starks have manned the wall for thousands of years. You are a Stark. You may not have my name, but you have my blood."
Then Jon asks him about his mother, and ned promises to tell him about her next time they see each other. So being that teh "you have my blood" comment could go either way, it sure as hell seems like signs point to Jon being Ned's bastard. Just don't see how anything on the show could lead to other conclusions.
BTW, I am assuming that Ned isn't Jon's father (though at this point I will hold the belief that he is), because it seems like that has been spoiled in here somewhere..I'm just trying to make the connection via the show.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:24 am to CocomoLSU
quote:Ned wouldn't sleep with a lowborn whore and even if he did, with lowdown whores, you hit it and quit it. You don't wait 9 months for the product. Also Ned never told him who his mother was. All very odd.
Who knows. But if his mother was a lowborn whore, then surely being raised by Lord of the North would be a better life for him, no? Maybe the mom preferred for Jon to be taken/raised with his father.
quote:Didn't Sansa and Arya go with Ned to King's Landing? And those are some young lords and heirs. I can see Jon joining the Watch b/c he said he always felt less than Robb and this was his way of making it on his own. But the King's Hand promotion was not planned. Just seems he could have put the Watch off for a few years.
IMO the NW is like the army, only it's for life. And Jon joined the NW to serve the realm as a noble protector of the wall and to be with his uncle, Benjen. And keep in mind that when he left Winterfell, all was well...Robb was there, as was Theon, Arya, Sansa, Bran, and Rickon. So Winterfell was full of little lords and heirs, and they didn't need Jon to "help with the family."
quote:What I said was, from the beginning, I didn't understand the Jon Snow storyline (the beginning for me was 2 months ago when I binge watched). I've been waiting for his storyline to develop. For him to become a main character. Last week, when he went past the wall, I thought we'd know then. His secret would be revealed with some type of revelation. Didn't make sense that he would go alone against 100,000 men.
Sure, I'm sure everyone was wondering. But you're saying you saw the red titty witch and "voila," things start making sense, when in actuality, it already did make sense. And keep in mind that you'd "hope" (your word) that you could connect the dots, but it wasn't until you read that article that you actually started thinking along these lines. So again, taking just the show into consideration, you had no inclinations to start connecting Jon Snow to anyone other than his unnamed mother.
This week he makes a connection with Stannis. You could see Jon's admiration of Stannis and Stannis' respect for Jon as a son of Ned. When I saw Witchy-Witch's interest in Jon, I thought of Gendry... Gendry Baratheon, Stannis Baratheon... This is why Jon left the Castle, so he could have his moment with Stannis. What's his connection with Stannis. I got on my Ipad, looked up recap and saw the pedigree comment and I thought I had it.
Then I come here and see the Targaryen theory and then lost confidence in my Baratheon theory.
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Also, most of this is just discussion because I'm bored...don't think I'm trying to accuse you of anything, because I'm not.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:26 am to wildtigercat93
quote:Sorry. Was last night. I forgot. Remembered you were in some type of quarrel with someone.
False. It was Jet
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:28 am to CocomoLSU
That's the exact scene that made my wife, myself, and most of my friends think that Jon's mom was Ned's sister. Ned goes out of his way to tell them they are related but he never calls him son.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:30 am to Vegas Bengal
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Sorry. Was last night. I forgot. Remembered you were in some type of quarrel with someone.
That's because I was the one to tell everyone where Jet got that info from. Which means I know what Jet knows as well.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:33 am to Vegas Bengal
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Ned wouldn't sleep with a lowborn whore and even if he did, with lowdown whores, you hit it and quit it. You don't wait 9 months for the product. Also Ned never told him who his mother was. All very odd.
And it could very well have not been a whore..that's just the word I used. Could've been a legit good woman. And Ned was gone for a long time...plenty of time to have a kid. I was just saying that most of the people he could've had a kid with, it's still a better life if the kid is raised in Winterfell as Ned's bastard son.
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Didn't Sansa and Arya go with Ned to King's Landing? And those are some young lords and heirs. I can see Jon joining the Watch b/c he said he always felt less than Robb and this was his way of making it on his own.
The Watch is something he seems to always have wanted. Even when he and Robb say goodbye, Robb says next time he sees him, Jon will be in all black. Jon says "It was always my color." Ned tells him how honorable it is to serve on the wall in the previous clip I posted. Benjen was already a Crow. He even takes pride when he tells Jaime that "we've guarded the Kingdoms for 8,000 years" when Jaime is mocking him in Winterfell. Etc. Plenty of reasons for him to want to choose his path in life on the wall.
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Didn't make sense that he would go alone against 100,000 men.
He went because he and Mance had a relationship/mutual respect. So he tried to do it alone and unarmed to avoid more bloodshed and more war.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:34 am to VOLhalla
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That's the exact scene that made my wife, myself, and most of my friends think that Jon's mom was Ned's sister. Ned goes out of his way to tell them they are related but he never calls him son.
And I could see that. Like I said, that scene could make an argument for either side.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:35 am to CocomoLSU
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So being that teh "you have my blood" comment could go either way, it sure as hell seems like signs point to Jon being Ned's bastard. Just don't see how anything on the show could lead to other conclusions.
If Jon is Ned's nephew, Jon had Ned's blood. And don't you find it a bit queer that he didn't tell Jon then who his mother was? Why does Jon have to wait until the next time he sees Ned? Why the delay?
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BTW, I am assuming that Ned isn't Jon's father (though at this point I will hold the belief that he is), because it seems like that has been spoiled in here somewhere..I'm just trying to make the connection via the show.
Actually you have me more convinced that he's Ned's nephew with this line: You may not have my name, but you have my blood.
The writers have given interviews about guessing who Jon Snow's mother. Apparently it's not clear in the books. There's clearly something important if the writers of the series and the book made such a big deal about it. And here we have Ned not telling Jon. So something is up.
Hell maybe Ned is the father and the mother is a Targaryen and Jon is part dragon.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:53 am to Vegas Bengal
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Why does Jon have to wait until the next time he sees Ned? Why the delay?
Jon was going off to join the Night's watch. Why burden him in that moment? Plus it wasn't as if Ned was going to be alongside him to make sure he was ok with finding out for the first time the truth about his mother, whoever she is. It certainly was not the right time to tell him. If anything, Ned would want him to be a bit older and perhaps more mature after joining the night's watch. Nothing fishy about it at all.
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Actually you have me more convinced that he's Ned's nephew with this line: You may not have my name, but you have my blood.
The writers don't know who the mother is so they left it open to interpretation by not having Ned say straight up that Jon is his son. So whichever direction GRRM goes with the story, the showrunners wouldn't have dialogued themselves into a pickle later on.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:59 am to VOLhalla
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That's the exact scene that made my wife, myself, and most of my friends think that Jon's mom was Ned's sister. Ned goes out of his way to tell them they are related but he never calls him son.
yeah, no way he could be Brandon or Bengens......HAS TO BE SISTER.
EX1: Brandon was supposed to marry Kat...if Jon was Brandon's son, "he would have my blood", but it would upset Kat because he was supposed to be Kats, and Kat's heirs would one day be Lords of Winterfell....Ned had to marry Kat when the Mad King had Brandon killed...so, Ned, to keep the honor of his Brother and lineage of Nobility of the Lord of Winterfell claimed Jon was his. Because if Snow was Brandon's then Jon Snow is true heir of winerfell(not Ned, Rob, Bran)
EX2: Jon is Bengen's son. Bengen was a NWatch and can't have kids. He slept with some random, and if it came out that Bengen had a kid....Bengen dead and probably the kid too(traitor spawn, Oathbreaker seed). So Ned kept the secret to preserve Bengen and Jon, and why he was happy to see him go to the Wall to be with his true father(notice Bengen was telling Jon not to come, because he wanted Jon to live life, be happy, have a wife and kids)
"theories" you could deduce from the show.
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