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re: Game of Thrones S5 OFF-SEASON THREAD, NO SPOILERS/BOOKREADERS!
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:22 am to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:22 am to Vegas Bengal
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When you watch these shows, don't you wonder why certain characters are there? Why the hell is Jon a bastard? We know Gendry's role. But what's Jon's role? You must suck at chess.
Of course I wonder why they're there. And I try to think about things like that. But there is a huge difference between wondering and straight up putting together theories that connect dots that aren't even really there.
Herein lies the crux of what I'm talking about:
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The look made me think there's something up. The "pedigree" comment in the NYT made me think Robert and Lyanna.
That's what I'm talking about...based on the show, you never made that connection, yet you read an outside article that makes you sniff out extra things. I'd bet money that article was written with other knowledge.
And it's not even that it's a big deal at this point, because we know something is up with Jon Snow, and so that can't be unseen. But the point is that these "theories" came from outside sources, and that's what sucks.
And your chess analogy is laughable. I'm not great at chess, but I'm okay...it's just not a game I got into much as a kid. But that doesn't mean that I lack foresight or deduction. But I could flip that around on you and say that you aren't very good at chess either unless you have someone who is good sitting next to you telling you what moves to make. That's the analogy to you and your NYT article IMO.
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:23 am to Vegas Bengal
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When you watch these shows, don't you wonder why certain characters are there? Why the hell is Jon a bastard? We know Gendry's role. But what's Jon's role? You must suck at chess.
wow. quote:
The Rhaegar Targeryen connection was completely out of left field from a poster in this thread.
This is the problem we are talking about.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:24 am to CocomoLSU
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But I could flip that around on you and say that you aren't very good at chess either unless you have someone who is good sitting next to you telling you what moves to make. That's the analogy to you and your NYT article IMO.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:25 am to JimMorrison
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Really? I don't remember that. I remember her saying that she would just love Jon and treat him as one of her own.
"I'll beg my husband to give him a true name"
Around the 1:30 mark
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:25 am to JimMorrison
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Ned wouldn't just name his bastard a Stark because he raised him with his family. He's named Snow to recognize that he is a high born bastard and even getting that name is rare. You know why Gendry only had a first name? Because Robert didn't recognize him.
Bastards are named based on where they were born though. When Jon first got to CB, he and Sam talked about that. Thus, Jon's last name is Snow because he was in the north. Same reason Ramsay's last name was Snow.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:26 am to saintkenn
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I'm on the side of definitely saying that Jon is Lyanna's child, I just don't know who the father is yet. I'm thinking Rhaegar for a true heir to the throne before the Baratheon takeover. Jon's heirarchy would take over Stannis's, thus making the red witch nervous and hence, "the stare." Boom!
You just "Boom!"'d something that has been talked about for about 25 pages now.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:30 am to wildtigercat93
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Around the 1:30 mark
See, that's what I was talking about yesterday...you can find almost any scene in the show by googling intelligently. Yet I can't find anything that would link Jon to people like Lyanna or Rhaegar or Cersei, and nobody else has either. Further, the scenes that can be found actually seem to show the complete opposite of those things. So we're stupid because we can't put 2 and 2 together, yet the question is coming from a completely different book (pun half intended).
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:35 am to CocomoLSU
You're in the right here for sure. No one "came up" with the theory without knowing about Roberts rebellion in some fashion, which isn't given much detail in the show (it should've). Anyone that's "deduced" that from the show is lying IMO, atleast I've been honest about what I know
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:35 am to wildtigercat93
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"I'll beg my husband to give him a true name"
Well ok then. I don't know, I was under the impression that Jon was lucky to have the Snow surname and before Ramsay getting his Bolton papers (which was a very special circumstance), bastards were not allowed to represent the House. Like Jon would never be able to inherit Winterfell. Is that right?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:38 am to wildtigercat93
On that note though, I do love going back and watching scenes from the show. Watching them by themselves helps pick up things that you might've missed when the show was airing (because so much is going on). I started going back and watching clips a while back..maybe during season two-ish..because I had missed some obvious shite on the show and looked like an idiot in the thread.
Youtube has an amazing number of scenes from the show...you could piece together full shows clip by clip if you had the time.
About to watch Oberyn fight the Mountain as I type this.
Youtube has an amazing number of scenes from the show...you could piece together full shows clip by clip if you had the time.
About to watch Oberyn fight the Mountain as I type this.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:39 am to JimMorrison
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Well ok then. I don't know, I was under the impression that Jon was lucky to have the Snow surname and before Ramsay getting his Bolton papers (which was a very special circumstance), bastards were not allowed to represent the House. Like Jon would never be able to inherit Winterfell. Is that right?
I dunno. I've always been unsure of how exactly all that works
Like i just assumed that bastards had no claim, but then Joffery went and killed all the bastards of Robert to make sure he didn't have anyone with a claim to the throne so I guess in certain circumstances a bastard can have claim but I'm not sure how that works.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:40 am to wildtigercat93
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Like i just assumed that bastards had no claim, but then Joffery went and killed all the bastards of Robert to make sure he didn't have anyone with a claim to the throne so I guess in certain circumstances a bastard can have claim but I'm not sure how that works.
see the middle ground thread brother
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:41 am to CocomoLSU
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About to watch Oberyn fight the Mountain as I type this.
That sounds cruel
I plan on watching GoTs from the beginning but only going one episode a week to stretch it out til next year. It took me a month to binge watch it all to catch up to right when the current season started
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:42 am to Byron Bojangles III
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see the middle ground thread brother
I'm thinking about making the leap
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:42 am to wildtigercat93
i answered your question in it
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:43 am to Byron Bojangles III
Did you talk shite about me in there? You usually like to do that.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:44 am to CocomoLSU
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Did you talk shite about me in there? You usually like to do that.
it matters not what thread i'm in i'll do that
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:46 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:48 am to Byron Bojangles III
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it matters not what thread i'm in i'll do that
So I've heard..
ETA: Aren't you not supposed to be in here anyway?
wildcat..somebody posted that shite a day or two ago. Cracked me up.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:49 am to CocomoLSU
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Cracked me up.
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