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re: Game of Thrones S4:E2:"The Lion and the Rose", HODORS ONLY (no book readers)

Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:31 pm to
And is perhaps Tommen not a product of incest?

That would make the throne MUCH more under the control of the Lannisters from a true claim stand point.
Posted by 40 Rouge
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:35 pm to
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And is perhaps Tommen not a product of incest?


I thought that they made it clear that all the kids were Jamie's?
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:38 pm to
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I thought that they made it clear that all the kids were Jamie's?


She did.
Posted by JimMorrison
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:40 pm to
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He has a lot of power, and Arya potentially could become a cold-blooded killer if she reunites with the faceless man.


Agreed. Arya could definitely become like a super assassin

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But Winter will wipe them out I fear.


They're the under dog right now and I think that bodes well for them. I'm still Team Stark so maybe with Sansa on the way to escaping Kings Landing, it will put the Starks reuniting in motion. Like Ramsay said, as long as the Starks are alive, the North will rally to their side.
Posted by JimMorrison
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:41 pm to
They did. All of the kids have blonde hair. Baratheons always have black hair.
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:43 pm to
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They did. All of the kids have blonde hair. Baratheons always have black hair.


And she said that Rob Ryan was always so drunk that he would either make his yogurt on her face or not at all.
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:53 pm to
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Ramsay


I'd like to see him more this season. Dude is awesome. And the show needs another mentally unstable young man with Joff dead.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:58 pm to
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They did. All of the kids have blonde hair. Baratheons always have black hair.


Is this brown or dirty blond?

Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:02 pm to
That's why I asked. He doesn't seem to have the blonde hair that Joffrey has.
Posted by JimMorrison
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:19 pm to
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I'd like to see him more this season. Dude is awesome. And the show needs another mentally unstable young man with Joff dead.


Yeah, he's an entertaining psycho for sure
Posted by JimMorrison
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:21 pm to
Looks more blondish to me

Posted by Jet12
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:46 pm to
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Looks more blondish to me

Tommen's actor was recast. Cersei's kids (with Jaime) are all supposed to be blond.

Cersei actually did have a son with Robert, and he had dark hair. He died in infancy though.
Posted by DallasTiger11
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:51 pm to
I rewatched again a couple times last night. My theory is it was the cake/pie. No one was shown taking a bite of the pie, and Joffrey scarfed it down. If this is the case though, it seems like a stretch that no one else in the reception would have taken a bite of it yet. And whoever was behind the attempt would have ideally wanted a lot of people dead, not just Joffrey.

The wine seems almost impossible to pull off especially if you don't think Tyrion was involved in any way. Joffrey took a drink of the wine after it had gone under the table, then set it down to cut the cake. It would have had to be laced in between this time unless it was a delayed poison.
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:51 pm to




Kid is a fantasy-world, dark ages version of a teenager playing GTA on his xbox and saying, "hey I wonder what happens if I hit this hooker with a baseball bat 47 times and go shoot that cop in the face".
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:55 pm to
The cake came from Lord Tyrell, huh?
Posted by JimMorrison
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:02 pm to
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Tommen's actor was recast. Cersei's kids (with Jaime) are all supposed to be blond


Right, was just posting an up to date pic. I thought it was well established that they were all Jaime's kids.
Posted by JimMorrison
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:06 pm to
I don't think it's the cake.

Someone reminded me of the assassination attempt on Melisandre in season 2 using apparently the same kind of poison that Joffrey died from. It was pretty instant death and not delayed.
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:11 pm to
Also, Cersei has possessed poison before, during the siege. I believe it broke when she dropped it (when her father came in), but just remembered that she had it.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:13 pm to
I'm starting to think King Douche's death is a multi family conspiracy and not a revenge killing. I still don't know what the Tyrells motive is though. Tywin obviously thought Joffrey was unhinged and a danger to the families rule. I'm coming around to Sansa being a patsy but kept safe anyway because Lannisters always pay their debts and Jamie is in debt to Cat for his freedom thus Tywin is in debt for the return of his son.
Posted by DallasTiger11
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:13 pm to
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It was pretty instant death and not delayed.

Then someone slipped it in his glass while he was cutting the pie. He had already taken a drink from the last cup Tyrion poured him after Sansa had handled it. This would have happened in front of everyone.
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