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re: Game of Thrones S2:02 (No Spoilers)
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:13 am to iluvdatiger
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:13 am to iluvdatiger
I don't think it was the girls, although, I'm not positive. Doesn't seem plausible.
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Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:20 am to iluvdatiger
It should be some other baby. Not Gilly's.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:33 am to OMLandshark
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He's producing and writing for the show as well. I think he'll tell them if they need to keep a character in there. JKR did for the HP series, don't see why Martin wouldn't.
That kind of control HAS to be expressed in writing. JKR's contract and level of control was unprecedented due to the already huge popularity of the books, even before the first movie was made. I have no idea what GRRM's contract looks like, but given the hyper-vulgarization (not that I'm complaining) that I've seen so far, as well as the character deviations, I'm thinking his level of control is not as high.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:38 am to blueboy
Ghost looked great. They have done a good job with the direwolves.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:17 am to DanglingFury
Another excellent episode but I feel sorry for anyone who hasn't read the books trying to follow all these story arcs. 
And yes, Melisandre getting nailed on the table was primo. 
And yes, Melisandre getting nailed on the table was primo. 
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:54 am to davesdawgs
We learned a few things last night but our most important lesson has to be………..
Never complain in a brothel, no telling what is around the next door….
(Everyone should already know...NO KISSING)
Never complain in a brothel, no telling what is around the next door….
(Everyone should already know...NO KISSING)
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:20 pm to davesdawgs
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but I feel sorry for anyone who hasn't read the books trying to follow all these story arcs
It's a bit daunting at times but they are doing a great job with it. Dont really find myself asking "ok now what the hell is going on here again?" My biggest problem is trying to remember the city names and the relative geography of everything
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:36 pm to blueboy
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That kind of control HAS to be expressed in writing. JKR's contract and level of control was unprecedented due to the already huge popularity of the books, even before the first movie was made. I have no idea what GRRM's contract looks like, but given the hyper-vulgarization (not that I'm complaining) that I've seen so far, as well as the character deviations, I'm thinking his level of control is not as high.
He's literally writing an episode. I'd imagine his pull is quite strong. If a character is almost irreplaceable, they'll listen to him. Seriously why wouldn't they?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:40 pm to OMLandshark
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He's literally writing an episode.
Better not slow him down in writing Winds of Winter. If he takes 6 years to put out the next book.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:43 pm to PsychTiger
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Better not slow him down in writing Winds of Winter. If he takes 6 years to put out the next book
Well, he already wrote Ep 9 of Season 2 awhile back, and he hadn't planned on starting WoW until early this year.
He will take forever. According to rumors I've heard he still hasn't even started on it beyond the fragments he wrote while writing Dance.
Also, he has gone on record and said he doesn't mind changes. He has worked on TV and understands things need to change to adapt to screen.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:47 pm to OMLandshark
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He's literally writing an episode. I'd imagine his pull is quite strong. If a character is almost irreplaceable, they'll listen to him. Seriously why wouldn't they?
You're right with this. On the commentary for one of the episodes in the first season, I think it's Benioff or Weiss is talking about how smart Martin was to hold on to the rights for as long as he did and let it get as popular as it did. That way he could say how much control he wanted over it when the show was made. The guy had already been involved with tv production back in the early 90s with the Beauty and the Beast show, so I'd like to think he knows what he is doing.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 1:48 pm to Josh Fenderman
Writing this from my tablet, so referencing all of the questions is a bit difficult.
The baby: NOT Gilly's.
Renly is much more loved by people than the hard-assed Stannis even though Stannis is the more rigthtful claimant.
The books didn't go into as much detail about the sex, but most of it was there (like the chick on the boat with the bad teeth).
The bonedance between Stannis was hinted at but not confirmed until much later in the book version.
******spoilerish but not really******
Melisandre was brought in by Stannis' wife who evetually was able to sway Stannis into heeding Melisandre. This seems to have been glossed over in the series due to time constraints and pacing needs.
The baby: NOT Gilly's.
Renly is much more loved by people than the hard-assed Stannis even though Stannis is the more rigthtful claimant.
The books didn't go into as much detail about the sex, but most of it was there (like the chick on the boat with the bad teeth).
The bonedance between Stannis was hinted at but not confirmed until much later in the book version.
******spoilerish but not really******
Melisandre was brought in by Stannis' wife who evetually was able to sway Stannis into heeding Melisandre. This seems to have been glossed over in the series due to time constraints and pacing needs.
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 4/9/12 at 2:08 pm to Bard
It's what happens to the boy babies, correct?
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 4/9/12 at 2:14 pm to brbengalgal
So far the story of the Watch is playing out exactly as in the book.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 2:42 pm to OMLandshark
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He's literally writing an episode. I'd imagine his pull is quite strong. If a character is almost irreplaceable, they'll listen to him. Seriously why wouldn't they?
The fact that he writes episodes does not mean that he has the kind of control over the final product that JKR had. I doubt he has the power to simply overrule their decisions, and he certainly has no power to do anything if it isn't expressed in writing.
I don't mean to suggest that they just ignore him and do whatever they want. I'm simply saying that the kind of control JKR had is very rare (unprecedented, in her case), and really, only given to authors of books that are already hugely popular.
In fact, many studios shun involvement by the writer when it comes to film production. So many make the mistake of merely transcribing their book, which often doesn't work well in film.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 3:03 pm to davesdawgs
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I feel sorry for anyone who hasn't read the books trying to follow all these story arcs.
That really hasn't been a problem thus far. I don't recall names all that well but I have a fairly good understanding of what's taking place. I doubt if I'd be watching with the same sense of anticipation had had I read the books. This show has me hooked.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 3:06 pm to brbengalgal
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It's what happens to the boy babies, correct?
I don't think there is a scene in the book that shows Jon watchin Craster ditch the boys, but yeah that is what we are told happens to them.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 3:08 pm to blueboy
If HBO only contracted the first season, then he could easily have negotiated more control
Posted on 4/9/12 at 3:09 pm to Holden Caulfield
If it helps, some ppl may want to bookmark HBO's viewer guide
It has maps, house/character info to go w/ headshots
It has maps, house/character info to go w/ headshots
Posted on 4/9/12 at 3:46 pm to Bard
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If HBO only contracted the first season, then he could easily have negotiated more control
Not sure what you mean by "contracted" in this sense - his involvement as a writer/producer or just the right to the books themselves? I'd have a hard time believing the studio optioned only the first book, so whatever control whomever has over what has possibly already been determined, whether GRRM is writing/producing or not.
Maybe he really does have that kind of control, and merely capitulates often. Who knows, but the level of deviation suggests otherwise, to me, anyway.
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