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re: Game of Thrones 32 man single combat tournament WE HAVE A TIE
Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:13 pm to BlackleafBaller
Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:13 pm to BlackleafBaller
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Aerys probably assumed that Rhaegar wasn't going to use them to protect her, but to instead help him win the war.
Yeah, no way Aerys knew what Rhaegar would use them for.
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Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:20 pm to Cosmo
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Always wondered why Aery's was willing to give not 1, not 2 but 3 Kingsguard knights to Rhaegar to protect Lyanna. Seems like they would have been more useful elsewhere rather the middle of nowhere Tower of Joy.
Someone hasn't ventured into the crackpot thread
I agree that Ned is seeded too high as well. He doesn't participate in the Hand's tournament and nobody even talks about him being a good swordsman. He even states that he would have died at the hands of Dayne if Howland Reed hadn't saved him.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:23 pm to Cosmo
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meh, Dayne may be a badass but as Ned Stark proved, if you go at him 3 on 1 he will lose.
Most do. But in Westeros it seems like there is an unspoken rule. When two armies meet in the open field the two best almost always face each other in single combat without being molested by either side. Dayne wouldn't have allowed Robert to slay Rhaegar because Robert would've never have gotten to Rhaegar without killing Dayne.
There are three people in this tournament who have a reasonable chance at killing Dayne in single combat. Those three are Robert Baratheon, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:30 pm to CottonWasKing
Meh, come in here acting all experty, you shoot down Ned's ability and say how great Dayne is, yet it was Ned who was responsible for Daynes death. Why does he just get a pass for being out numbered? If he's so damn amazing he should've found a way to win
Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:31 pm to Cosmo
ROUND 1
(1) Arthur Dayne v (16) Knight of the Laughing Tree
- Dayne with no contest.
(8) Khal Drogo v (9) Qhorin Halfhand
- My first upset. Halfhand. He is so feared in the north that he is respected.
(5) Gerold Hightower v (12) Arys Oakheart
- I will take Hightower for his brute strength
(4) Ned Stark v (13) Magnar of Thenn
- I'll take Ned
(6) Blackfish Tully v (11) Brienne
- Brienne. she hung with a weakened Jaime but he was still fast.
(3) Barristan Selmy v (14) Tormund Giantsbane
- Selmy due to outsmarting.
(7) Sandor Clegane v (10) Greatjon Umber
- The hound
(2) Gregor Clegane v (15) Wun Wun
- the Mountain
(1) Jaime Lannister v (16) Boros Blount
- Jaime
(8) Strong Belwas v (9) Victarion Greyjoy
- Belwas
(5) Areo Hotah v (12) Mance Rayder
Hotah. Doesn't Rayder even admit that he isn't the best fighter?
(4) Rhaegar Targaryen v (13) Darkstar
- Rhaegar had the skill to wound Robert in both primes so I think he takes Darkstar.
(6) Bronn v (11) Beric Dondarrion
- Bronn. I think Bronn is a sleeper in this thing. Cunning and good with a do what it takes attitude.
(3) Red Viper v (14) Syrio Forel
- I will take Syrio. Viper uses a spear and shield but the quick strikes of Syrio could take Viper's hands out making the spear tough to use and without the poison to dull the opponent, I just don't see him lasting.
(7) Loras Tyrell v (10) Dragonknight
- Dragonknight. It took two men to kill him when he was well past his prime.
(2) Robert Baratheon v (15) Euron Greyjoy
- Robert pretty easy.
(1) Arthur Dayne v (16) Knight of the Laughing Tree
- Dayne with no contest.
(8) Khal Drogo v (9) Qhorin Halfhand
- My first upset. Halfhand. He is so feared in the north that he is respected.
(5) Gerold Hightower v (12) Arys Oakheart
- I will take Hightower for his brute strength
(4) Ned Stark v (13) Magnar of Thenn
- I'll take Ned
(6) Blackfish Tully v (11) Brienne
- Brienne. she hung with a weakened Jaime but he was still fast.
(3) Barristan Selmy v (14) Tormund Giantsbane
- Selmy due to outsmarting.
(7) Sandor Clegane v (10) Greatjon Umber
- The hound
(2) Gregor Clegane v (15) Wun Wun
- the Mountain
(1) Jaime Lannister v (16) Boros Blount
- Jaime
(8) Strong Belwas v (9) Victarion Greyjoy
- Belwas
(5) Areo Hotah v (12) Mance Rayder
Hotah. Doesn't Rayder even admit that he isn't the best fighter?
(4) Rhaegar Targaryen v (13) Darkstar
- Rhaegar had the skill to wound Robert in both primes so I think he takes Darkstar.
(6) Bronn v (11) Beric Dondarrion
- Bronn. I think Bronn is a sleeper in this thing. Cunning and good with a do what it takes attitude.
(3) Red Viper v (14) Syrio Forel
- I will take Syrio. Viper uses a spear and shield but the quick strikes of Syrio could take Viper's hands out making the spear tough to use and without the poison to dull the opponent, I just don't see him lasting.
(7) Loras Tyrell v (10) Dragonknight
- Dragonknight. It took two men to kill him when he was well past his prime.
(2) Robert Baratheon v (15) Euron Greyjoy
- Robert pretty easy.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:38 pm to Tiger1242
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Meh, come in here acting all experty, you shoot down Ned's ability and say how great Dayne is, yet it was Ned who was responsible for Daynes death. Why does he just get a pass for being out numbered? If he's so damn amazing he should've found a way to win
Ned would have, by his own admission,been killed by Dayne if not for Howland reed.
You have to think of this from a logistical stance at this point. What weapons are the crannogmen experts in? Bow and arrow and then net and frog spear for close range combat.
With the reclusiveness of the crannogmen in mind and the distance that lies between Dorne and The Neck one can assume that Arthur Dayne had never once faced a man wielding the net and spear in his life.
So from that we can assume that Dayne was either picked off by an archer or defeated by a weapon that he had no training against after commanding the defeat of 5 other very talented northmen.
You tell me how that defeat reduces the legend of Arthur Dayne.
And its not just me who is shooting down Ned's ability its GRRM himself.
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:38 pm to Cosmo
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Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:32 pm to CottonWasKing
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You tell me how that defeat reduces the legend of Arthur Dayne.
Standing by what I've been saying. I'm not discounting Dayne's skills, or his status as one of Westeros's great fighters. But you people saying he'd slaughter everyone else no contest are basing that on absolutely nothing
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:32 pm to Cosmo
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ROUND 1
(1) Arthur Dayne v (16) Knight of the Laughing Tree
(8) Khal Drogo v (9) Qhorin Halfhand
(5) Gerold Hightower v (12) Arys Oakheart
(4) Ned Stark v (13) Magnar of Thenn
(6) Blackfish Tully v (11) Brienne
(3) Barristan Selmy v (14) Tormund Giantsbane
(7) Sandor Clegane v (10) Greatjon Umber
(2) Gregor Clegane v (15) Wun Wun
(1) Jaime Lannister v (16) Boros Blount
(8) Strong Belwas v (9) Victarion Greyjoy
(5) Areo Hotah v (12) Mance Rayder
(4) Rhaegar Targaryen v (13) Darkstar
(6) Bronn v (11) Beric Dondarrion
(3) Red Viper v (14) Syrio Forel
(7) Loras Tyrell v (10) Dragonknight
(2) Robert Baratheon v (15) Euron Greyjoy
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:49 pm to Tiger1242
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Standing by what I've been saying. I'm not discounting Dayne's skills, or his status as one of Westeros's great fighters. But you people saying he'd slaughter everyone else no contest are basing that on absolutely nothing
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that there is a very clear top 4 and that consists of Arthur Dayne, Robert Baratheon, Barristan Selmy and Jaime Lannister.
In other words Eddard Stark doesnt need to be mentioned in the same breath as those 4 when swordplay is concerned.
Now as a battle commander then you absolutely must place Ned as one of the best but his strength did not lie within his prowess with a sword.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:54 pm to CottonWasKing
I don't think anybody is comparing him to them, he's just in the bracket, maybe too highly seeded
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:55 pm to Tiger1242
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Standing by what I've been saying. I'm not discounting Dayne's skills, or his status as one of Westeros's great fighters. But you people saying he'd slaughter everyone else no contest are basing that on absolutely nothing
Not exactly nothing.
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“ The finest knight I ever saw was Ser Arthur Dayne, who would have killed me but for Howland Reed.” - Eddard Stark
“ I learned from Ser Arthur Dayne , the sword of the morning, who could have slain all five of you with his left hand while he was taking a piss with his right.” - Jaime Lannister to Loras Tyrell, Osmund Kettleblack, Balon Swann, Meryn Trant, Boros Blount
According to Catelyn Stark, Dayne was the deadliest of the seven knights of Aerys's Kingsguard
The only character that has said anything less than absolute praise is Darkstar and thats because Dayne's related to him and hes jealous of the attention he gets.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:57 pm to Cockopotamus
I knew that post was coming... I didn't literally mean nothing, I meant that just bc some guys have given him praise, that doesn't make him the greatest fighter ever in Westeros without question
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:00 pm to Tiger1242
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maybe too highly seeded
and thats my point.
Ned is a number 4 seed when the vast majority of the board would make short work of him. Thats a bullshite seeding.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:03 pm to Tiger1242
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I knew that post was coming... I didn't literally mean nothing, I meant that just bc some guys have given him praise, that doesn't make him the greatest fighter ever in Westeros without question
Serious question...
Who do you think is better and why?
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:14 pm to Tiger1242
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just bc some guys have given him praise, that doesn't make him the greatest fighter ever in Westeros without question
It's debatable since we dont actually get to see him in action but Dayne is definitely the consensus best fighter in living memory at least.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:15 pm to Cockopotamus
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It's debatable since we dont actually get to see him in action but Dayne is definitely the consensus best fighter in living memory at least.
Definitely. As cocky as a frick Jaime Lannister is, he seems pretty confident that Arthur Dayne could have kicked his arse even in his prime. I'd say simply by having Jaime's respect in that regard, he is certainly the most feared swordsman in living memory.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:19 pm to CottonWasKing
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Who do you think is better and why?
You're not getting what in saying man. I'm not saying he shouldn't be the one seed, I'm saying everyone saying he's by far and away better than everyone is just making judgements based on not much.
But I think Jaimie, either Clegane, Robert, Selmy, would all for sure have a chance. Also, call me crazy here but I think Khal Drogo has a chance vs. all these guys, the fight is gonna be quick but he would have a shot at getting to them fast and ending it, if his initial attack didn't work he'd be dead though.
And like I said when I was picking, don't sleep on Hotah, all he does is sharpen his axe and train, dude would be hard to beat
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:23 pm to Tiger1242
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But I think Jaimie, either Clegane, Robert, Selmy, would all for sure have a chance.
There's a decent chance, but not in their favor. With these 4, I think that out of ten, Dayne wins 6-8 times, depending on his opponent.
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Also, call me crazy here but I think Khal Drogo has a chance vs. all these guys
No fricking way. All those you mentioned would make very short work of Drogo. The fight wouldn't last 30 seconds. As soon as Drogo hit one of their shields, they'd kill him instantly. Drogo is a badass brute, but nothing more. Typically he does raids and battles other Dothraki, not go to war with armored soldiers, and certainly doesn't do one-on-one fights with them. Drogo would get destroyed by them, and lose 10 out of 10 to all of them.
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:32 pm to OMLandshark
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No fricking way. All those you mentioned would make very short work of Drogo. The fight wouldn't last 30 seconds. As soon as Drogo hit one of their shields, they'd kill him instantly. Drogo is a badass brute, but nothing more. Typically he does raids and battles other Dothraki, not go to war with armored soldiers, and certainly doesn't do one-on-one fights with them. Drogo would get destroyed by them, and lose 10 out of 10 to all of them.
All of this.
As crazy as it sounds, I bet Arya would have a chance against Drogo.
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