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re: Game of Thrones: Who should get to kill ________? (spoilers)
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:34 pm to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:34 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:
a girl is not ready
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:34 pm to Green Chili Tiger
and this whole time I thought we were suppose to be prejudiced against the gingers
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:35 pm to Palo Gaucho
quote:
Theon. Slowly
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:35 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:
It's every bit as important as the culture/societal norms that they live in. This "incident" takes place in a culture that still hangs the bloody sheet out the window to prove consummation. In the only society Sansa has ever known, it is impossible for her husband to rape her on her wedding night. She agreed to the sex when she agreed to the marriage.
Call it what you will, but she neither wanted to be in that room with him at the time, nor did she have another choice that didn't end with her skinned alive, or fed to the dogs. Hell, she didn't have a choice the moment she stepped foot into Winterfell.
By the laws of that land, it wasn't rape. But from a moral and ethical viewpoint of how our society views the subject, it could be considered rape.
Either way, if you think it was anything other than sheer torment for her that night, then you are crazy. Call it what you will, but him psychologically torturing her that night was wrong and messed up any which way you look at it.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:35 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:preach
Eta: If anything, Daenerys was more of an actual rape since she was never given the choice on the marriage.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:36 pm to Bamatab
quote:ok, not rape
Call it what you will,
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:38 pm to SetTheMood
quote:
A husband can rape a wife.
Not at common law. A conjugal right was conveyed by marriage, so that consent could not be withheld. In my head, the laws of Westeros are something more primitive than common law, so I wouldn't expect a rape charge against a husband to stand.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:38 pm to Bamatab
quote:a sheer torment she voluntarily entered into motivated by a desire for revenge. people keep looking passed the fact that she willingly went into this knowing full well what she'd have to do.
if you think it was anything other than sheer torment for her that night, then you are crazy
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:40 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:
ok, not rape
You seem mighty quick and steadfast in defending it. This doesn't hit a little close to home for you, does it?
But seriously, you have to admit that it was a bad night for her...right?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:45 pm to KingSlayer
Jon Snow is Ramsay's clear foil. I doubt Ramsay took much time at all for GRRM to come up with at all, since he just took Jon and made him the exact opposite of him. Personally, I think Ramsay will come to the Wall demanding everything from Jon. Jon will at this point know that he is the rightful son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, and seeing the Bastard will be the moment he finally embraces it, which will of course enrage Ramsay. During their duel, the Others will breech the Wall, and take Ramsay with them. Theon will be there, and Ramsay will beg for Theon to save him, but Theon will walk away. That to me seems to be the best way for him to go in my book.
I'll be pissed if Sansa, LF, and especially Brienne kills him. I expect that Ramsay survives this season, although I think Roose is done for.
I'll be pissed if Sansa, LF, and especially Brienne kills him. I expect that Ramsay survives this season, although I think Roose is done for.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:46 pm to Fearthehat0307
NM
I said several posts back that I wouldn't post on whether it was rape or not. But I'm easily pulled back in.
I said several posts back that I wouldn't post on whether it was rape or not. But I'm easily pulled back in.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:47 pm to Bamatab
quote:
You seem mighty quick and steadfast in defending it. This doesn't hit a little close to home for you, does it?
quote:oh definitely. and it was something she clearly didn't want to do but she made conscious decisions which she knew full well would lead up to that moment. also during that moment there was no actual threat and no resistance from her. ramsay must be exonerated
But seriously, you have to admit that it was a bad night for her...right?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:47 pm to KingSlayer
quote:
Who should get to kill Ramsey?
Bran should warg into Theon, kill him, and then let Theon go back to being Reek.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:48 pm to Bamatab
quote:he told her she didn't have to do it. she agreed to do it. even if he really wasn't giving her a choice, she perceived it to be a choice and she made it
If you think LF was actually giving her a choice, you're nuts
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:49 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:Yes they did. There were articles about it being overdone, as was the Jaime/Cersei sex scene. Dany doesn't like sex with Drogo at first, but she doesn't resist him and he doesn't threaten her.
no one really said shite when Daenerys got the same thing done to her by a Dothraki on hers?
Then, she learns how to take the D and becomes a slut.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:50 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:
he told her she didn't have to do it. she agreed to do it. even if he really wasn't giving her a choice, she perceived it to be a choice and she made it
In the end, I think that night will be her turning point, and she will end up getting her revenge for the Starks and the North (hopefully ending in some good ole Bolton pie).
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:51 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:
Here's where it fall apart. Where are you getting your "fact that she didn't want to have sex with him"? She never said no. Not once. And she was in in the middle of disrobing to consummate the marriage when he ripped her dress, bent her over, and consummated the marriage.
I think Sansa is familiar with what happens when you tell violent sociopaths no. No wasn't really an option. I don't know how you couldn't perceive that as rape.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:52 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
Jon Snow is Ramsay's clear foil. I doubt Ramsay took much time at all for GRRM to come up with at all, since he just took Jon and made him the exact opposite of him. Personally, I think Ramsay will come to the Wall demanding everything from Jon. Jon will at this point know that he is the rightful son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, and seeing the Bastard will be the moment he finally embraces it, which will of course enrage Ramsay. During their duel, the Others will breech the Wall, and take Ramsay with them. Theon will be there, and Ramsay will beg for Theon to save him, but Theon will walk away. That to me seems to be the best way for him to go in my book.
I can get down with all of this, but how is he to know his legacy at that point? Jon's at the wall and Ramsey is somewhere North of Winterfell. Who could intervene before they meet to inform Jon of his linneage?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:53 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:You forgot "hunts girls like animals for sport, does in fact rape them when he catches them, murders them and names his dogs after them."
ramsay gets a bad rap. he tortured a tpos who deserved it and he had sex on his wedding night.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:56 pm to SetTheMood
quote:
Your definition of offered it up and mine are different. Keep in mind she'd been married before and was still a virgin, not entirely out of the realm of possibility that she believed that she would be afforded the opportunity to get to know the man before he forced himself on her, ala Tyrion.
Exactly, Tyrion is pretty clear that if he had had sex with Sansa on his wedding night that he knew it would be rape. Yes, Sansa would have gone along with Tyrion having sex with her as well, but it would be against her will. It was a rape, and to say otherwise I think is simply misogynistic.
Seriously, if a violent sociopath gave you two choices between being arse raped and an implication he'd put you in a kennel to be torn apart by dogs, you wouldn't look at the arse rape as consensual sex.
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