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re: First look at Galadriel in Amazon’s The Lord of the Rings series
Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:28 pm to LSU2NO
Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:28 pm to LSU2NO
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They were also known as the Grey Elves, Dark Elves and Fair Elves.
Which had nothing to do with their skin tone. Those were descriptions based on who had seen the light of the two trees in Valinor and who had not. That would be like saying the black numenorians are black because of their name. The elves are not dark skinned so the fact that they are casting dark skinned actors as elves is a joke to the source material.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:44 pm to LSU2NO
The three branches of Elves were the Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri
Fixed.
Fixed.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 6:01 pm to Scoob
Amazon has really stepped in it. For all their diversity and virtue signaling with black hobbits, dwarves and elves in the past, how the hell do they explain a total LACK of black characters later on?
Is Peter Jackson now 'racist' for not putting them in his movies?
Is Tolkien racist for not having them in his stories?
Was there a black extinction event?
This retconning of putting black characters in a story which never was MEANT to be anything other than a FAIRY TALE and mythology for ENGLAND has just created a disaster before the show has even dropped.
Gary called it
Is Peter Jackson now 'racist' for not putting them in his movies?
Is Tolkien racist for not having them in his stories?
Was there a black extinction event?
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/icons/shrug.gif)
This retconning of putting black characters in a story which never was MEANT to be anything other than a FAIRY TALE and mythology for ENGLAND has just created a disaster before the show has even dropped.
Gary called it
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:15 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I'm disappointed they aren't doing the show about the fall of Gondolin. They'd probably have to spend the entire budget in one season though.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:40 pm to OMLandshark
Actually I’m hearing twice that much. 1 billion for 5? seasons. It’s insane. Yet they intentionally made this woke shite knowing it would piss off the real fans anyway. Because they don’t care about anything but their goddamn diversity message.
Anyone see Wheel of Time? I didn’t. That’s what this shite will be. With a dash of S8 GoT tossed in. Pure garbage.
Anyone see Wheel of Time? I didn’t. That’s what this shite will be. With a dash of S8 GoT tossed in. Pure garbage.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:56 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Don't watch it then
There are some folks out there who like the material (Tolkien's universe), who are interested in what this show presents. It might well be dogshit. It might be good. I'm generally cautiously watching things, and look forward to seeing what comes out.
A bunch of what is written tends to be slanted towards the article/publication's perceived audience, and has been. Remember, for the longest time we saw reports (completely unfounded) that we'd see more of Aragorn and Gandalf etc, in some articles. Others wondered about how they'd fit Hobbits in (as I understand, they DON'T).
Someone here went on a rampage saying it would be totally slanted to fit the Chinese audience.
There was a big outcry about 'intimacy coaches' and sex.
The show hasn't aired yet, not even a teaser with live action. We know very little of the plot (other than overreaching themes), nothing of the photography style, etc.
There are new characters, but when you scan over the source material, you see that's basically a necessity. He didn't write a novel or even a short story about this era, we have Christopher Tolkien's edits of his fathers notes. Some characters are based on a single sentence, or an entry in an appendix.
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There are some folks out there who like the material (Tolkien's universe), who are interested in what this show presents. It might well be dogshit. It might be good. I'm generally cautiously watching things, and look forward to seeing what comes out.
A bunch of what is written tends to be slanted towards the article/publication's perceived audience, and has been. Remember, for the longest time we saw reports (completely unfounded) that we'd see more of Aragorn and Gandalf etc, in some articles. Others wondered about how they'd fit Hobbits in (as I understand, they DON'T).
Someone here went on a rampage saying it would be totally slanted to fit the Chinese audience.
There was a big outcry about 'intimacy coaches' and sex.
The show hasn't aired yet, not even a teaser with live action. We know very little of the plot (other than overreaching themes), nothing of the photography style, etc.
There are new characters, but when you scan over the source material, you see that's basically a necessity. He didn't write a novel or even a short story about this era, we have Christopher Tolkien's edits of his fathers notes. Some characters are based on a single sentence, or an entry in an appendix.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:58 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
Actually I’m hearing twice that much. 1 billion for 5? seasons. It’s insane.
No, I’m hearing 500 mil for the first season alone. Behind them Netflix is apparently doing 300 mil for the first season of live action Avatar the Last Airbender, and at least that has the casting going for it unlike this. They’re spending more money than God for these high fantasy series.
This is supposed to be Galadriel? I would have never guessed it from this photo. That is bad given how instantly identifiable by appearance Galadriel is supposed to be:
![](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/LOTr-1.jpeg?q=50&fit=crop&w=450&h=299&dpr=1.5)
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 12:38 am
Posted on 2/11/22 at 11:37 pm to OMLandshark
For all the casting complaints, let's see how they do first
And, I'm going to go off the beaten path here. My biggest "uhh, what?" comes from:
Elrond.
When I see this photo, I just think "JAW"
![](https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/62019b3b41f168f94e9f9d8a/master/w_1600,c_limit/lord-of-the-rings-009.jpg)
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
And, I'm going to go off the beaten path here. My biggest "uhh, what?" comes from:
Elrond.
When I see this photo, I just think "JAW"
![](https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/62019b3b41f168f94e9f9d8a/master/w_1600,c_limit/lord-of-the-rings-009.jpg)
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:38 am to Scoob
None of these photos are doing it. Honestly the Galadriel photo was the one that pissed me off the most. While Galadriel is extremely powerful, it has nothing to do with her swordplay.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 6:23 am to OMLandshark
quote:We see her with a sword, not swinging it. To be 100% fair, I think she did draw and pledge her sword way back in the day when the Noldor left Valinor. Was supposed to be a hothead back then, that mellowed with age and experience.
None of these photos are doing it. Honestly the Galadriel photo was the one that pissed me off the most. While Galadriel is extremely powerful, it has nothing to do with her swordplay.
By the Second Age I think she was the last of her generation, at least among the upper royalty.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 7:11 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Well if you aren't a racist piece of frick
Posted on 2/12/22 at 9:06 am to Byron Bojangles III
I'm not. It's called 'humor'.
The absurdity of having 'black' characters in Tolkien's established world when he already had dark skinned races set up in other parts of Middle Earth. None of which were the focus of any of his stories.
Tolkien also mentioned other Istari (Wizards) but we only ever read about the dealings of 3 of them. Actually 2, if you ignore Radagast.
They weren't ignored, as if they didn't exist, they just weren't written about.
The absurdity of having 'black' characters in Tolkien's established world when he already had dark skinned races set up in other parts of Middle Earth. None of which were the focus of any of his stories.
Tolkien also mentioned other Istari (Wizards) but we only ever read about the dealings of 3 of them. Actually 2, if you ignore Radagast.
They weren't ignored, as if they didn't exist, they just weren't written about.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 9:21 am to OMLandshark
quote:
This is supposed to be Galadriel?
Yes. Galadriel of Tarth.
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
Self-admitted non book readers are curiously all informed about Galadriel and her role as a 'rebel leader' and know all about her heroics from the battle of Alqualondë.
These white Knighters are just fanboying for Amazon, and have never picked up any Tolkien book. Probably never will.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:06 am to SouthEasternKaiju
I didn't go through all 11 pages of this thread because I don't need the splitting headache, but this thread reminds me of the Thor Ragnarok thread where everyone was up in arms because Valkyrie was black and obviously the movie was going to be woke trash liberal killing America, and instead the movie is top 3 MCU movies. Though I know some posters still hate the movie because it didn't stick to "source material".
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:24 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
The absurdity
is caring this much about a really outdated and lazy part of Tolkien's text. The old "every species has the exact same skin color, set of clothes, and general look" tropes of fantasy and Sci-fi world building suck. That part of Tolkien's work isn't good. That part of Jordan's work is good. That part of Gene Roddenberry's work isn't good. It should be okay to modify things that suck.
This show might very well be awful, but changing the skin color of a few characters doesn't show flagrant disrespect of the source. And your argument for skin color stuff doesn't prove your fandom of the novels; it just tells us you've fetishized an unimportant detail of the novels to reinforce some of your social beliefs.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:25 am to Jay Are
quote:
This show might very well be awful, but changing the skin color of a few characters doesn't show flagrant disrespect of the source. And your argument for skin color stuff doesn't prove your fandom of the novels; it just tells us you've fetishized an unimportant detail of the novels to reinforce some of your social beliefs.
Now do this with Black Panther!
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:26 am to ThoseGuys
'Source material' for Thor is an actual Nordic religion. Marvel itself bastardizes all of that by making Thor a 'superhero'. What if a studio in China made Jesus into a superhero?
But Valkyrie in Thor: Ragnarök is an entirely different issue than bastardizing Tolkien's work.
But Valkyrie in Thor: Ragnarök is an entirely different issue than bastardizing Tolkien's work.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:35 am to Jay Are
quote:
is caring this much about a really outdated and lazy part of Tolkien's text.
Tolkien literally created entire new alphabets and languages as well as maps, histories for the various races, and yet you're gonna go with 'lazy'?? GTFO
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The old "every species has the exact same skin color, set of clothes, and general look" tropes of fantasy and Sci-fi world building suck. That part of Tolkien's work isn't good
Tell us you have no clue of Tolkien's work without saying it out loud.
quote:
This show might very well be awful, but changing the skin color of a few characters doesn't show flagrant disrespect of the source. And your argument for skin color stuff doesn't prove your fandom of the novels; it just tells us you've fetishized an unimportant detail of the novels to reinforce some of your social beliefs.
It's not just skin color, genius. It's dismissing the whole work of Tolkien, what is KNOWN via his writings, and choosing instead to swap characters knowing damn well it would have this reaction. If they were so unimportant, they'd not have done it. If AMAZON really wanted to introduce darker skinned characters, there are realms in Tolkien's own work to draw from. Amazon chose NOT to do that, but instead just took the easy route and randomly interject today's politics into an established IP.
You can't pass judgement on those who know more about this than you ever will and expect to not be called out on it. That's what Amazon has done, and that's what you've chosen to do as well.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:56 am to Jay Are
Oh look, Jay Are with another shite take.
At least you're consistent.
At least you're consistent.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:15 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Yahoo Diverse Casting
Already getting ready for the "LOTR fans are racist" narrative. After reading that whole article, this show will be crap.
Already getting ready for the "LOTR fans are racist" narrative. After reading that whole article, this show will be crap.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 11:19 am
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