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re: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness SPOILERS THREAD
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:15 am to UndercoverBryologist
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:15 am to UndercoverBryologist
I think that having the multiverse open at this point they had a great opportunity to do more with it. But they didn’t. They had the perfect opportunity to introduce a multiversal big bad like Mephisto or Kang and didn’t. They had throw away variants that were some of the strongest in the MCU universe just get obliterated in like 2 minutes. The film honestly kind of went nowhere and while the movie was entertaining it did nothing to drive the MCU forward. It left more questions than any answers for the questions you may have had before it. It was good for what it was, but honestly with how weak the plot was it’s normal to feel that they could have done more with it.
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:27 am to abellsujr
We went and saw it yesterday, thought it was ok. Not the best thing ever, some gripes, pretty fun but not planning to see it again in the theater.
A few thoughts/observations on all this:
* I can see the big 2nd weekend dropoffs going on indefinitely. If you WANT a theater experience, you will see it early. If you're mildly interested, there's a good chance you have Disney+ already, and it should be on that before the start of football season. I can see that happening to a lot of movies going forward.
*Same actors for people in different multiverses; so Krasinski is more than just "a hint" for Fantastic 4 in my opinion. I think them using Stewart for Prof X confirms that.
Strange now knows of Charles Xavier and Reed Richards, so he should be able to seek them out in the MCU universe. Richards might be under the radar, I wonder if Prof X has been doing mind-wipes to keep the X-Men anonymous.
Not impressed with the America Chavez storyline... I didn't know that character. My son commented that it felt like a message being pushed, just some of her background etc. Neither of us particularly liked the star-shaped portal, thought that didn't play well in live action. I could do with never seeing that character again, but it feels like a Disney (NOT Marvel) move.
My screen had bad sound, I have better at my house. If there is a bass undertone, I didn't hear it. It made some of the action pretty weak. Might be better with my subwoofer, but if not, I'd say they messed up there.
That universe (808?) with the Illuminati, looked like the world of Annihilation LINK (2018 with Natalie Portman). Weird flowers growing everywhere and a rainbow tint to the sky, etc. Just a random thought, but it really jumped out to me- first thing I thought.
Clea post-credit scene, she looked too campy. I guess they made it clear Strange is ready to move on from his past relationship with Cristine, so I can see that happening. I wish Clea was a bit 'hotter' in appearance
, you know they could have done more with Charlize Theron.
Like noted in above posts, it feels like the MCU is running out of steam.
A few thoughts/observations on all this:
* I can see the big 2nd weekend dropoffs going on indefinitely. If you WANT a theater experience, you will see it early. If you're mildly interested, there's a good chance you have Disney+ already, and it should be on that before the start of football season. I can see that happening to a lot of movies going forward.
*Same actors for people in different multiverses; so Krasinski is more than just "a hint" for Fantastic 4 in my opinion. I think them using Stewart for Prof X confirms that.
Strange now knows of Charles Xavier and Reed Richards, so he should be able to seek them out in the MCU universe. Richards might be under the radar, I wonder if Prof X has been doing mind-wipes to keep the X-Men anonymous.
Not impressed with the America Chavez storyline... I didn't know that character. My son commented that it felt like a message being pushed, just some of her background etc. Neither of us particularly liked the star-shaped portal, thought that didn't play well in live action. I could do with never seeing that character again, but it feels like a Disney (NOT Marvel) move.
My screen had bad sound, I have better at my house. If there is a bass undertone, I didn't hear it. It made some of the action pretty weak. Might be better with my subwoofer, but if not, I'd say they messed up there.
That universe (808?) with the Illuminati, looked like the world of Annihilation LINK (2018 with Natalie Portman). Weird flowers growing everywhere and a rainbow tint to the sky, etc. Just a random thought, but it really jumped out to me- first thing I thought.
Clea post-credit scene, she looked too campy. I guess they made it clear Strange is ready to move on from his past relationship with Cristine, so I can see that happening. I wish Clea was a bit 'hotter' in appearance
, you know they could have done more with Charlize Theron. Like noted in above posts, it feels like the MCU is running out of steam.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:32 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
This. I agree with you 100%.
Loki ends and we had all these possibilities but they have done nothing with it.
Loki ends and we had all these possibilities but they have done nothing with it.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:36 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
And Marvel needs RDJ back.
Not for the comic fans. The comic fans want more characters. And understandably so.
They need RDJ back for the general public. He’s one of the most beloved and appealing characters in film history. He brought interest from the people who know jack shite about comics.
Even iron man 3, which I think most everyone here agrees is complete shite, was enjoyed by the general public. Because of him. They need him back.
Not for the comic fans. The comic fans want more characters. And understandably so.
They need RDJ back for the general public. He’s one of the most beloved and appealing characters in film history. He brought interest from the people who know jack shite about comics.
Even iron man 3, which I think most everyone here agrees is complete shite, was enjoyed by the general public. Because of him. They need him back.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 11:37 am
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:37 am to abellsujr
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Even iron man 3, that I think most everyone here agreed is complete shite
People still can’t get over the bait-and-switch with the Mandarin character?
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:39 am to UndercoverBryologist
Comic fans hate it.
General public likes it.
For whatever reason. I think the story was just not good. But still enjoyable because of him.
General public likes it.
For whatever reason. I think the story was just not good. But still enjoyable because of him.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:55 am to abellsujr
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That was terrible. The entire Spider-Man no way home set up was dumb. Although the movie turned out really good.
I get attacked for saying this, but the first half of that movie was not good.
They have gone from Dr Strange is sorcerer supreme and the only one who knew how to defeat Thanos, to Dr Strange is an idiot who is probably going to destroy everything.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 12:04 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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People still can’t get over the bait-and-switch with the Mandarin character?
The MCU totally glossed over Tony's character development in that film to make Civil War work.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 12:07 pm to imjustafatkid
It’s terrible.
You can’t have inconsistencies like that with a character like dr strange either. He’s boring. Incredibly boring.
I think Marvel is learning that RDJs don’t grow on trees. When Thor is more interesting than your central character, you have problems. And on top of that, his character is now not very smart.
You can’t have inconsistencies like that with a character like dr strange either. He’s boring. Incredibly boring.
I think Marvel is learning that RDJs don’t grow on trees. When Thor is more interesting than your central character, you have problems. And on top of that, his character is now not very smart.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 12:13 pm to imjustafatkid
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The MCU totally glossed over Tony's character development in that film to make Civil War work.
That’s a fair criticism. And for the record, aside from the minor miracle of Infinity War juggling all those characters and making the story work, I think Phase 3 is mostly a hot load of nothing.
Edit: By that, I mean Phase 3 felt like a bunch of contrived set-ups to get everyone to Infinity War.
At least Iron Man 3 felt like a good stand-alone movie, which we haven’t really gotten from the MCU in recent years.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 12:15 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I think I might actually enjoy this movie. I will watch it at some point.
I think the horror aspects I will enjoy. Sounds like there may be some cult classic aspects with it. I love Raimi also.
I just think for what Marvel wants to accomplish, it’s a fail.
I think the horror aspects I will enjoy. Sounds like there may be some cult classic aspects with it. I love Raimi also.
I just think for what Marvel wants to accomplish, it’s a fail.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:28 pm to UndercoverBryologist
See I would argue the opposite. I think Phase 3 worked so well because everyone was on a clear collision course with Endgame. You could see the pieces fitting together.
I have no idea how Phase 4 fits together. How does Shang Chi fit into Eternals? Black Widow? Did we really need a full length film to explain why there is a different Black Widow in a Disney + show? Even Doctor Strange barely connects to Spider-Man.
America Chavez is the only person who can travel dimensions yet we just had 3 different Spider-Man in 1 movie without her. He also saw like a dozen different Lokis.
None of it fits together. None of it is moving in the same direction. They have all felt like stand alone films that don't fit into the greater narrative when you think about the MCU as a whole.
Is all of this building to Kang? And if so, how? We knew with Thanos it was all about the Infinity Stones. We had over 20 movies setting the pieces up for 2 epic movies. Right now we have 5 movies all going in different directions.
I have no idea how Phase 4 fits together. How does Shang Chi fit into Eternals? Black Widow? Did we really need a full length film to explain why there is a different Black Widow in a Disney + show? Even Doctor Strange barely connects to Spider-Man.
America Chavez is the only person who can travel dimensions yet we just had 3 different Spider-Man in 1 movie without her. He also saw like a dozen different Lokis.
None of it fits together. None of it is moving in the same direction. They have all felt like stand alone films that don't fit into the greater narrative when you think about the MCU as a whole.
Is all of this building to Kang? And if so, how? We knew with Thanos it was all about the Infinity Stones. We had over 20 movies setting the pieces up for 2 epic movies. Right now we have 5 movies all going in different directions.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:03 pm to ThoseGuys
The thing is, and this may upset people, but this is a common progression with entertainment.
Sometimes you just run out of steam. You miss on ideas. The public loses interest.
Endgame was such closer. Marvel has always gone through an upward trajectory with its story telling. Like you said, building toward something. Also from an overall entertainment aspect. Each one was got bigger. Infinity War and Endgame were just the tip top of quality where now they have no room to grow.
Marvel has been to the top. And instead of maybe taking a break or maybe taking things a little slow, they decided to hammer out a bunch of experimental projects. I have no idea why.
I personally wish maybe they would have taken a lot of time off to let Endgame settle with people. Maybe release a couple of Spider-Man movies. Some TV shows. Finish the GotG trilogy. The Thor movie. Basically what they’re doing now, just no experimental shite. No multiverse. Just focus on a X-Men plan. But implement it after a break. A long break. People are getting burned out. Movies like Eternals that have the Marvel name on it is diminishing your product. It’s quality is decreasing.
Just my opinion. I just think they’re getting a little too crazy too fast.
Sometimes you just run out of steam. You miss on ideas. The public loses interest.
Endgame was such closer. Marvel has always gone through an upward trajectory with its story telling. Like you said, building toward something. Also from an overall entertainment aspect. Each one was got bigger. Infinity War and Endgame were just the tip top of quality where now they have no room to grow.
Marvel has been to the top. And instead of maybe taking a break or maybe taking things a little slow, they decided to hammer out a bunch of experimental projects. I have no idea why.
I personally wish maybe they would have taken a lot of time off to let Endgame settle with people. Maybe release a couple of Spider-Man movies. Some TV shows. Finish the GotG trilogy. The Thor movie. Basically what they’re doing now, just no experimental shite. No multiverse. Just focus on a X-Men plan. But implement it after a break. A long break. People are getting burned out. Movies like Eternals that have the Marvel name on it is diminishing your product. It’s quality is decreasing.
Just my opinion. I just think they’re getting a little too crazy too fast.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:19 pm to ThoseGuys
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America Chavez is the only person who can travel dimensions yet we just had 3 different Spider-Man in 1 movie without her. He also saw like a dozen different Lokis.
We had a brand new character open a portal to a different dimension in the mid-credits scene of THIS MOVIE. They have (perhaps inadvertently) made it very clear that this character's only purpose is to be diverse, and have also (perhaps inadvertently) made it very clear that her power really isn't all that special.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:40 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
Some of yall care too much about a children's comic book movie.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:54 pm to gobnugget
You care too much about people who care too much about a children’s comic book movie.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:24 pm to gobnugget
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Some of yall care too much about a children's comic book movie.
All of the kids left crying from the theater where I watched this. I would not take my 8 year old to this. They do a very good job of showing how horrifying a fully psycho Scarlet Witch can be.
ETA: Also, you sound as dumb as the people who claim Star Wars is only for kids.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:48 pm to abellsujr
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I think I might actually enjoy this movie. I will watch it at some point.
I think the horror aspects I will enjoy. Sounds like there may be some cult classic aspects with it. I love Raimi also.
I just think for what Marvel wants to accomplish, it’s a fail.
Wait. Are you saying you haven't watched the movie?
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:01 pm to Methuselah
Correct.
And my personal opinion of the movie has no effect on the overall reception of the movie.
And my personal opinion of the movie has no effect on the overall reception of the movie.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 4:52 pm to abellsujr
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