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re: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness SPOILERS THREAD

Posted on 5/13/22 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 3:28 pm to
So basically every Marvel movie has to make a billion dollars or it's a disaster?

Really?

Wow ok. Even Kade York couldn't make a field goal with you moving the goal post like that.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
12297 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 3:49 pm to
So I have avoided all media with exception of the first trailer, I have no idea what anyone thinks other than the few cucks arguing about wokeism, she or whatever in the last few post.

This movie was very much "comic booky".

The villain was trying to reunite her family using the most powerful magic/object in the universe and it had unintended consequences. I think Wanda has this story line every couple of years in the actual comics.

Dropping the X-men cartoon theme was great, chills may have bene felt.

I am glad they separated Wanda from the scarlet witch, but not entirely. I hope we see Wanda on the "good" side with earth needing her mutant juiced Scarlet Witch powers sooner than later.

I wish they went darker with an alternate Strange, like what if level dark. I mean, sacrificing the girl within a couple minutes was pretty dark... but we didn't get the progression to darkness.

The Illuminati felt weak to me, maybe I put them on a higher pedestal.

Bring on the X-men.

And oh lord, one of the comments on the last page when I started typing this... that this was a B team movie? The Scarlet Witch was very much an A lister in so many comic storylines... she is the cause behind iconic shifts in so many Marvel stories, go home your drunk.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65582 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:30 pm to
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So basically every Marvel movie has to make a billion dollars or it's a disaster?

tard, you keep saying that it's good because - money. it was always going to make money, just like every other marvel movie. you also said they were b characters, which they clearly are not.

your equating money with movie quality is depressing. and you clearly haven't watched the video. by 'disaster,' he's talking about the shitty writing and story, like how the writers seem to have 'kind of forgotten' powers possessed by more than one character that would have immediately resolved/ended multiple situations. 'disaster' does not refer to box office numbers.
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Kade York
back to the msb with you.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65582 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:35 pm to
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Bro
dude, bro i haven't said shite about wokeness, and the review isn't about that either. and i'm not 'constantly' posting links to anything, drama queer.

you jumped the gun with your typical bullshite routine. just own it and move on.
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:42 pm to
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Yeah, that's pretty much the reality.
The reality is that "The Batman" couldn't hit a billion

It just eeked over 750 mil itself

Who thought Strange 2 was gonna be higher grossing than Batman? Because that sad soul, needs his medication

Covid changed the box office, maybe permanently.

We'll see with Avatar 2

550 mil is solid, considering the first grossed 667 mil in it's entire run
Posted by ThoseGuys
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 5:18 pm to
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tard, you keep saying that it's good because - money


I know you're not bothering to read my post, you just want to argue, but I'm not saying money = good. I am saying money = not disaster.

Movies are successful based on 1 of 2 things; money or awards. Doctor Strange will not win any major awards. But it made a lot of money.

John Carter was a very under appreciated movie, but it was an unmitigated disaster.

Fan4tastic was an unmitigated disaster. It didn't make money and was really bad.

Spider-Man 3 was a disaster. Sony had to reboot the franchise. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was a disaster. They had to loan Spider-Man back to Marvel to save him.

Doctor Strange was not a great movie. It isn't A tier Marvel. But it isn't a disaster.
Posted by WeBleedCrimson
Member since Mar 2008
22009 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 5:31 pm to
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Doctor Strange was not a great movie. It isn't A tier Marvel. But it isn't a disaster.



Right it's same level as Ant-Man and Shang-Chi.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65582 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 5:41 pm to
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Movies are successful based on 1 of 2 things; money or awards.
again, tard, 'disaster' in this context means it's a shitty convoluted plot with horrible writing. just try to finally get it.

and as much as some of you people complain about meand others, all I did was post a review and butthurt little tards came jumping out of the walls. maybe just don't reply next time.

ETA:
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Spider-Man 3 was a disaster. Sony had to reboot the franchise.
there you go. A movie that grossed 895 mil. in 2007 can be considered a disaster. yes. now you're coming around.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 6:18 pm
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 6:26 pm to
Oh stop being a bitch.

You know he called it an unmitigated disaster in the title of his review because he is a hack with a gimmick.

Dozens of other reviewers complained about the same stuff in the movie, but Nerdroic always has to make everything seem overblown for clicks.

The fact that you can sit there and pretend what he is doing is perfectly normal and everyone else is wrong is exasperating.
Posted by Corporal Beavis
Member since Aug 2013
1320 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 7:46 pm to
I'm no Marvel fan boy but I've enjoyed all the movies I saw pre Endgame. Also saw No Way Home, thought it was good but nothing to write home about. My favorites from the past series were the Iron Mans, Ant Mans, and GotG. These movies have been at their best when theyve got good music, sarcastic characters, and a straightforward enemy and plot line. I don't make the time to watch every single damn thing Marvel puts out though. I thought Infinty Wars was better than Endgame.

DS2 was decent, but my lord they're getting too complex with these cross-overs. It seems like they're putting too much time in to making big reveals for characters and making the 5% of their fantasy giddy, rather than trying to make great movies. One example is the bolt guy, I had no idea who he was when he showed up. I didn't knew he blew himself up when it happened, I thought Wanda imploded his head. I loved the 1 non-dangerous Dr Strange plot line. I didn't watch Wandavision but still enjoyed seeing her in a bat shite crazy mode then getting put in her place.

Have any of the other recent origin style movies been good recently? Those have been the best IMO. Also if I want to read actual reviews instead of bickering over the amount of females in the movie what page do I go to.


Oh and Rachel McAdams is fine as frick
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:40 pm to
Just saw this film. Was better than Shang Chi for sure, but it was odd that Shang Chi and Abomination didn't make an appearance after the setup in that film.

America Chavez worked okay as a plot device, but I can't imagine watching a whole movie with her as the lead. She was basically unnecessary to this entire movie.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65582 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:54 pm to
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all I did was post a review and butthurt little tards came jumping out of the walls. maybe just don't reply next time.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:30 pm to
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Yeah Strange and Scarlet Witch are really mega draws. Who even needs Iron Man or Captain America when you have...*checks notes* America Chavez and Wong.


Are you arguing that Dr Strange and Scarlet Witch aren't huge draws? If they aren't, which Marvel Studios characters are?

I mean, you've got Spider-Man, Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, sure, but Dr Strange and Wanda have to be in that top-tier group.

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America Chavez and Wong.


You're right. No one was clamoring to see these two in this movie. Wong is a great secondary character, but that's what he'll always be. At some point he has to die because Dr Strange has to be Sorcerer Supreme.

America Chavez will never draw audiences in. She isn't even moderately interesting. She's a McGuffin who exists only as a plot device to jump between worlds. They made her powers basically meaningless and clearly not unique by the mid-credits scene of this very movie.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 11:32 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:56 pm to
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Doctor Strange 2 is an Unmitigated M-She-U DISASTER!


I disagree that the movie was a disaster, but I can't say I disagree with most of his takes about the movie. He's clearly correct about where the MCU is headed.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70543 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 12:14 am to
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He called it an "unmitigated disaster"


The internet is monetized thanks to click-baiting reactionary exaggerations like this.

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He didn't say it was disappointing from a direction/vision stand point. He called it an unmitigated disaster. Why? Because he's a hack with a gimmick.


Agreed. There are a lot of legitimate criticisms that can be made of this movie, but nuanced headlines and reasonable takes don’t drive internet traffic. Controversial hot takes are what get attention and reactions. That engagement score is what drives ad revenue.

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In no world is a movie that makes that much money a disaster.


Disagree. A lot of bad movies make money. Avatar made a metric shite-ton of movie with an incredibly bad story, writing, and acting (with the best visuals of ANY movie EVER). The Star Wars Sequels (and prequels) made money. Money has little bearing on whether a movie is “good” or not, especially when that movie is part of a successful franchise.

With that said, I actually liked Dr. Strange 2. It’s flawed by a mediocre script, but I enjoyed its subversions from the marvel formula, its character development, acting (mostly), and visuals.

I noticed some dumb woke stuff, but it was brief, tangential to the plot, and mostly irrelevant, barely worth more than a single eye roll.

It’s a slightly above average marvel movie, and that’s okay. There’s nothing wrong with a reasonably competent and entertaining popcorn flick from a reasonably competent and entertaining franchise.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70543 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 12:51 am to
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Are you arguing that Dr Strange and Scarlet Witch aren't huge draws?


They definitely aren’t.

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which Marvel Studios characters are?


First tier is Iron Man, Spiderman, The X-Men, and Captain America. These are the HUGE draws.

Second tier would be Thor, Deadpool, Guardians of the Galaxy, maybe Fantastic Four

Third tier is Strange, Wanda, Vision, Black Widow, and Hawkeye.

Forth is Ant-Man, The Falcon, Winter Soldier, and Black Panther

Fifth is Shang Chi, Cpt Marvel, and the Eternals
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 12:55 am to
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They definitely aren’t.


Totally disagree. If those two aren't huge draws for the MCU, then they just need to scrap the whole thing and start over.

Out of your list, I'd say the current Captain America in the MCU is less of a draw than even the Winter Soldier. X-Men doesn't exist yet, Iron Man is dead and they're replacing him with a woke Mary Sue version, Deadpool and Fantastic 4 aren't in the MCU yet either. The only characters above Strange and Wanda in your list who are actually in the MCU are Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor, and Spider-Man, and Marvel only owns the movie rights for two of those. Dr Strange and Wanda MUST be draws for them. The worst part of this film, outside of America Chavez, was highlighted in that video you linked. They killed off the Wanda of our universe and have now done two movies where they made Dr Strange look like a total idiot.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 1:10 am
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:10 am to
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They killed off the Wanda of our universe and have now done two movies where they made Dr Strange look like a total idiot.


I don’t think she’s dead even in the 616. She grew up living under rubble.

In your opinion, What was the first movie that strange looked like an idiot? Just curious
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:55 am to
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In your opinion, What was the first movie that strange looked like an idiot?


Spiderman. You know, where he gave in to Peter Parker and nearly created what we're now calling a "convergence."
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38455 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:55 am to
That was terrible. The entire Spider-Man no way home set up was dumb. Although the movie turned out really good.

I get attacked for saying this, but the first half of that movie was not good.
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