re: Director Admits Transformers 2 was crap

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Brokeback Mountain made like $90 million

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That's not even Domestic blockbusters status.

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Heath Ledger was nominated for a Leading Actor Oscar for gods sake.

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And? How many people do you think really care THAT MUCH about who merely gets nominated?

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I never said it was good just because it made a lot of money. I look at movies as entertainment not art. I should enjoy my entertainment and with that in mind, Transformers was enjoyable for me. I'm not going to try to convince you it was good if you already say you disliked it. If you enjoy it you enjoy it, if you don't you don't. Whatever works for you. I just hate people who go in expecting one thing (foolishly) and then come out saying it was horrible when it wasn't what they expected. Or they expect a certain movie to be their vision of a great film when it was never intended to be compared to that movie.

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then why did you bring up its business? Of course you were attempting to use the movie's gate as an indication of its quality.

And considering I compared it to Crank and The Transformers animated movie, far superior action movies, its pretty clear the rest of your argument attacks an argument I didn't make. I didn't compare it to Citizen Kane.

And if this is your opinion, which is fine, I have two questions:
ONE: Why don't you like thinking? Or, more accurately, how is thinking not entertaining?
TWO: If you don't like analysis of films, what are you doing on message board devoted to analysis of films?

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And 38.9 million people watched the Oscars that year. Meaning they knew Heath Ledger was in Brokeback, at least by the end of the broadcast.

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Nielsen numbers aren't the most accurate thing out there. Even if they were, do you think those people remembered who was nominated for best actor? Hell of your head do you remember who all was nominated for best actor in say... 2006? 2007? I don't (not that I give a damn about The Oscars anyways).

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Nielsen numbers aren't the most accurate thing out there. Even if they were, do you think those people remembered who was nominated for best actor? Hell of your head do you remember who all was nominated for best actor in say... 2006? 2007? I don't (not that I give a damn about The Oscars anyways).

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THE movie that year for the oscars was Brokeback, it was ingrained in everyone's head that Ledger was playing a gay cowboy, and it was widely acclaimed. sure, they don't care about who was nominated, but they know who played the biggest role in the most controversial movie that year.

Also, the younger audiences knew heath ledger, hell he was in a few movies targeted for teens before...10 things i hate about you, a knight's tale, etc.

Ledger in Knight's Tale made girls' panties drop. I guarantee you every girl who is now of the age 24-35 has seen that movie. I'm a guy and like the movie. It's not just about Brokeback Mountain, which definitely put him on the radar as a serious actor, rather than more comedic roles.

And I understand that Monster's Ball was not comedic ***SPOILERS***


but how long was he even in the movie? 5 minutes?


Ledger was well known before TDK. Just accept that and argue something else.

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I'd rather not go to a board that just had a circlejerk of the same opinion. That'd get boring and redundant after a few hours.

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I agree. But defend Bay on his merits. You seem to be rejecting the very premise of analysis. Which I not only reject, but think is self-defeating on a message board.

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But you now agree, more than 40 million Americans knew who he was?

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No, because they didn't. It's not like it was the Super Bowl where the winner is touted for months afterwards.

Outside of A Knight's Tale, what blockbusters was he the star of? Yeah he was in the Patriot, but as a supporting actor who died what? About halfway through the movie? The Dark Knight was his first big role in a Big blockbuster. His name was everywhere when the movie came out (some of it had to do with his death, but most of it was because of his performance).

Look at it this way: Leonardo DiCaprio was in several movies before Titanic and some people knew him. However his name really didn't get big until Titanic was released. The Dark Knight was to Heath much like Titanic was to Leo.

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GamecockAlum

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Man, seriously?

You have very strange perpsective on movies and, for that matter, the movie business.

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ONE: I have ADD. I do enough random thinking on my own that I don't need a movie to get the ball rolling on my thought train.

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I have no doubt.

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Ok now that's funny.
WE NEED A BETTER RATING SYSTEM
IF WE ARE GOING TO ACCURATELY DETERMINE HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCHED THE OSCARS.

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Nielsen also said that only out of of every 3 Americans watched the Super Bowl. How many people do you know that didn't watch it? Every member of my family and every friend I know watched it. Yet supposedly 2 out of every 3 Americans didn't? Yeah I'ma go with bullshite on that.

okay, so we are arguing who got actors their first big blockbuster?